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Are Arabs in Michigan Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump? In a Word: Yes. (www.yahoo.com)
submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is just a terribly written headline. The problem is, if you changed the headline, there wouldn't even be a story.

There's a fairly large group of Arabs in that area, and some of them might vote for Trump. This is not surprising. If you live in the area, it might even be worth reading more about why they would support Trump. One could try to discuss their positions and see if they really think that Trump would do better or worse than Biden.

It is often mentioned but needs to be repeated here, because the same mistake was made yet again... Any time you try to blame one small group for the outcome of an election, you're just wrong. Everyone who votes, or doesn't vote, everyone who campaigns, who supports people campaigning, everyone who creates or runs the systems that assemble and count votes, they all play a role in determining the outcome.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Should have very strictly regulated the forever chemicals and micro plastics multiple decades ago. People are so inexplicably stupid and deranged that it has to be the chemicals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Are Establishment Democrats Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump Rather Than Listen to Their Constituents? In a Word: Yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure, that'll teach him

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Teaching a lesson is probably the most mindlessly stupid impulse of the age.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean my coworkers families are in danger today, why would you expect them to give a shit about an election six months away when they might get the call to find out they don't have relatives tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because they’ll still exist tomorrow, and the not-having-relatives-danger only increases by supporting the republiQan?

Is this really that difficult to understand? Using this watershed election as an entry-point to understanding how national politics and foreign relations work (or don’t work) is not only irresponsible, it’s tragic timing. Perfect timing for russia tho. Coincidentally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Please explain how electing a Republican in 6 months could possibly lower their families chances tomorrow. People not pressuring Biden are telling them don't worry six months from now you can keep things exactly as bad for your family as they are now, but if you don't we promise it will get even worse.

0 opportunity to improve things and a fat chance to make them worse, gee I wonder why they're not sold. Dead is dead, and we are asking them to give us six months of waiting on the off chance that things would be worse the other way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Please explain how electing a Republican in 6 months could possibly lower their families chances tomorrow.

Certainly. The republiQan party's ties to the Netanyahu right-wing government are much stronger and more aligned. They also wish to wipe out the population of Palestine and take their land. The Democratic party does not align with those goals.

That's how they could lower their familie's chances. Does that make sense?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (12 children)

No, because you are still failing to address the time aspect. Tomorrow, as in 6 months before the elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't. This is our american bed. Lay in it. This is what happens when lobbyists and affluent people are allowed to place hundreds of millions of free speech into the pockets of politicians. This is what happens when religion and government mix, even slightly. The only chance those people have of America ending support tomorrow is a violent uprising that would most likely make everything worse for every American. Pick your poison, they all cause death.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Wow, what agreat sales pitch to encourage people to vote for the guy who's killing their family members...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm going to keep it 💯 with you. Those people are in danger no matter who is in office because Israel is hellbent on commiting genocide, and the United States is strategically aligned with Israel. That isn't going to change in the immediate term no matter what delusions you or anyone else might have.

What will get A LOT fucking worse is the future for everyone in the United States that is not part of the oligarchy if Donald Trump gets back in office. There won't be any chance to make reforms, or change US foreign policy. Anybody that isn't white, upper class, or a collaborator is going to become a second class citizen.

So it is time to decide whether you are going to support the party that is going to preserve democracy, or if you are going to doom this country because you want everyone to identify with the suffering of those in Gaza. Either way, Gaza will be in the same position that it is in right now. All we are discussing is whether we are going to doom millions more people along with them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or Biden could change course? He's got time and the ramping up of pressure against him will hopefully reach a fever pitch that he'll have no choice but to do so. If not, then he really likes Israel more than he likes democracy, and it's as much his fault as it is the people who refuse to vote for the guy who's killing their family members.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Garbage "walk away" bullshit 2.0 remains bullshit. F'off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Don't fall for the liars blaming arab-americans disgusted at our government's active role in the ongoing palestinian genocide.

Blame democrats who are providing military and political support to an ongoing genocide and expecting that somehow won't hurt them in the election.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I get the feeling, but Project 2025 doesn't cut out any caveats for average Americans who voted for Trump. You will be white and christian or you will face the wall. I just want you to remember that at least you didn't vote democrat when we're being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

I just want you to remember that at least you didn’t vote democrat when we’re being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.

Firstly, I plan on voting for a democrat. Secondly, I live in oregon so it doesn't matter. Thirdly, if you're relying on democrats to save you from excesses of corporate power I don't think you understand the democrats very well.

I'm just saying what my comment said: there's no justification in blaming arab-americans for the obviously flawed decision making of the democratic party.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago

Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas

Right. This guy that called for a Muslim ban will be so much more sympathetic to the genocide in Gaza...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And Trump with his SCotUS cronies have plans to end / strip birthright citizenship & deport 11M "undesirables".

Want to guess who will be at the very head of that line? You don't think Stephen Miller is getting lists of arrestees from the colleges right fucking now?

And I very seriously doubt I'll have the capacity to feel bad for the dangerously stupid by that point.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

I still continue to fail to understand the logic these people are trying to use.

I completely understand the dissatisfaction with the Biden administration and his support for an ally who is currently committing genocide on the daily. And if there were a candidate who wasn't a completely batshit wannabe dictator, I'd at least understand why they'd vote for anyone else over Biden, if not agree with it.

But this is not the case. What these people fail to understand because they're literally blinded with rage is that the only other option is exponentially worse. Trump isn't going to stop Israel from bombing Gaza into oblivion. He's said as much. He basically wants to glass the entire area. Do these people not realize that what Trump wants to do is exponentially worse?

Voting for Trump because you don't like Biden's policies on Israel and Gaza isn't shooting yourself in the foot. It's shooting yourself in the foot, then reloading the shotgun when you realize you missed a few toes, then wondering why the hell your foot hurts and you're bleeding all over the place.

I understand the rationale of "I cannot in good conscience vote for a man who has supported and partially funded a brutal genocide." But at the same time, you're advocating for a man who's literally campaigning on "I'll genocide harder!". Why?

If you think Trump is, in any situation, a viable option for anything, please seek professional help immediately. There is never a situation where Donald Trump's decisions or actions are ever going to make your life better. Full stop.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You're playing politics. They're responding to something they view as betrayal.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

You're failing to understand because people are near-braindead levels of stupid. Democracy only works when the populous is generally well educated. We've been shooting ourselves in the foot in regards to education for a long time in this country that most people come out with the intelligence of a 5th grader, then say stupid things like "Trump is better than Biden".

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are a few factors:

  1. Not everyone in the Arab world looks favorably upon Palestine. They don't care that Trump plans to escalate the genocide.

  2. A lot of them are socially/fiscally conservative. Just because the Republicans lean overwhelmingly Christian doesn't mean that their values differ entirely from Islam. Anyone who hates abortion, gay/trans people, and wants to keep drugs criminalized will be more inclined to vote Republican despite the widespread islamophobia.

  3. The anti-Biden campaign, which is taking advantage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, has been successful at convincing voters, even if they are unwittingly voting against their own self-interest. The Republicans are good at that, such as how effectively they sway members of the working class towards supporting rich oligarchs and racial minorities to vote for racist candidates.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Not everyone in the Arab world looks favorably upon Palestine. They don’t care that Trump plans to escalate the genocide.

So if they either don't care about Palestine or want to escalate the genocide, then why the hell do they care about Biden's handling of the situation in the first place?

At best, they should be indifferent, no?

A lot of them are socially/fiscally conservative. Just because the Republicans lean overwhelmingly Christian doesn’t mean that their values differ entirely from Islam. Anyone who hates abortion, gay/trans people, and wants to keep drugs criminalized will be more inclined to vote Republican despite the widespread islamophobia.

This is a classic example of voting against their own interests.

The anti-Biden campaign, which is taking advantage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, has been successful at convincing voters, even if they are unwittingly voting against their own self-interest. The Republicans are good at that, such as how effectively they sway members of the working class towards supporting rich oligarchs and racial minorities to vote for racist candidates.

This is very true. If you can say one thing about the GOP, they're specialists at getting the message out and convincing people to vote against their own interests.

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