Belarus is pretty close, but we might have to wait longer for Russia unfortunately.
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Belarus is already sort of socialist. I’m pessimistic about Russia.
Same, from what I can tell the model in Belarus is very close to what China is doing. Belarus is also increasingly working more closely with China which will only help strengthen the direction of politics and the economy. On the other hand, Russia is very much capitalist, and the conditions in Russia are nowhere close to revolutionary right now. People's lives are generally decent, so I don't think there's going to be any mass interest in rocking the boat. That said, I do think there is long term potential in Russia because people do view socialism positively, and they're not completely blind to the problems of capitalism.
what do you mean by sort of socialist?
https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.13169/worlrevipoliecon.11.4.0428
Read this one for a change
In the early days of Lukashenko’s administration, the public economy accounted for about 75% of total GDP. With the reform of state-owned assets in the new century, the proportion of private sector increased, but generally accounted for no more than 30% of GDP, while amounting to 60–80% in Russia, Georgia, and Eastern European countries after the transition. The public-owned economy is also the main force to absorb employment, with those employed in state-owned or state-controlled enterprises accounting for about 70% of total employment (Slon Magazine 2015).
I was going to give you a study, but you’re not going to read that; I only read the intro myself. I’d say, search the grad because you’ll have better answers than me riddling something off the top of my head.
From the perspective of a USian, no one is implementing land reform until China does it. The new "going socialist" is aligning with BRICS and more specifically aligning with China and Iran. This is sort of a net new development in the last ?5? years where now instead of going socialist, it's more important and more significant to be anti-imperialist. One of the big tipping points will be when Cuba gets healthier from BRICS. That's my real bellwether for periphery socialism on the horizon. If Cuba gets what it needs from BRICS aligned countries, which honestly needs to happen now that Russia has demonstrated that sanctions can be ignored, then the major hurdle for "international rules-based" socialism is cleared. But the empire needs to fall before socialist revolutions are safe and that means every socialist revolution is now an anti-imperialist one first and an economic one second. That's the times I think we're living in.
from the perspective of someone in the periphery, anti-imperialism was always the most important bit. if the empire really falls, not much is stopping most of us from allende-style social democracy as a path to socialism. dealing only with our local burgeoise would be infinitely easier than the current state of affairs.
state enterprises are becoming stronger in Russia
As the result of the Russian nationlists' desire. I can't see Russians participating in a violent revolution any time soon. They're not really that unhappy with the state of things neither are they anywhere near an economic or social breaking point. The country seems to be steering more into a nationalist, heavily centrally planned/state owned capitalist country like Iran
When Putin retires/dies, anything could happen. He's going to be hard to replace, and his party might not be able to hold on to the support it has now.
Putin was raised in Russia that was failing because Stalin failed to create a succession plan and the liberals took over. He was capitalist likely due to material conditions. When he was spurned by the West and forced to remain not even a junior partner, he became anti-imperialist. I don't think he's a rapid anti-communist, I think he's an incredibly talented nationalist. I could see him creating a succession plan that creates the path for communism if the imperial threat has been neutralized before he retires.
Why do you think he wants communism? It seems he’d be glad to be a reactionary force, but material conditions have forced him to fight the imperialist club that wouldn’t let him in.
I don't think he wants it, I think the analysis goes like this:
- It's inevitable
- Russia can't become the dominant military and economic global super power
- The imperialists won't let Russia in the club
- If the imperialists changed their mind, Putin wouldn't trust them after what they've done
- Succeeding the presidency to a reactionary is likely to result in Russia being humiliated by the imperialists again when the reactionaries inevitably think Lucy won't pull the football away again
- A communist is likely to resist the imperial wiles
- Someone that understands the first job is anti-imperialism is the only option
- Maybe a communist realpolitiker is what Russia needs in the next phase
Its more likely that Russia becomes communist, IMO; because they will need to rely on the currently existing communist lead bloc (BRICS) after this war when they de-transition from a war ecomony back into a peace time one.
This will come with a lot of soft pressure from China.
BRICS is not communist and it's not a bloc. China has explicitly stated their position that the bloc strategy was a failed one. BRICS is an open, porous, non-restrictive economics-only trade consortium. China will not apply pressure to anyone to become communist, they will only apply soft pressure to decouple from the Western financial system. China has had a rather unfortunate history with chauvinism and it seems that offer the last several decades they have fixed this and don't intend to tell anyone what to do, letting the inevitability of history speak for itself while they do the work they need to do.
Chinese foreign policy has also been heavily reliant on nearby countries NOT having revolutions that would invite the USA to intervene and setup shop on their borders. I think it's likely this will continue until the empire's back is broken.
I understand its not considered a 'bloc' but in practice, it is a bloc of countries loosely alligned against american hegemony; the politicized nature of it by example of Argentina is evidence of this.
When I say soft pressure it was with the implication that China wont be expecting BRICS countries to have revolutions; instead it will just leverage monetary aid with socialist policies. The long strategy is that the citizens of these countries see the benefit of the socialist system through investment and move democratically towards socialist allignment through the progression of material conditions.
We can hope.
Yes, they have a collective history and culture of communism, it wouldnt be suprising to see it happen.
I know the communist party of Russia in its current format arent great, but they are also the 2nd largest party in Russia; Post-putin they could take any shape.
Hopefully in a positive direction and not a more capitalist one...