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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

that was quick! the CEO’s denial is very funny for a number of reasons, but the jig’s up — the supposed point of this device (the assistant) just straight up works on an Android phone, and their modifications to AOSP are almost certainly relatively trivial shit (permissions hole-punching for app interoperability… I can’t actually name a second thing they’d need).

but speaking of that denial:

We are aware there are some unofficial rabbit OS app/website emulators out there. We understand the passion that people have to get a taste of our AI and LAM instead of waiting for their r1 to arrive. That being said, to clear any misunderstanding and set the record straight, rabbit OS and LAM run on the cloud with very bespoke AOSP and lower level firmware modifications, therefore a local bootleg APK without the proper OS and Cloud endpoints won’t be able to access our service.

hoo boy, in detail:

  • what unofficial emulator? this is the APK the device runs.
  • what rabbit OS? the fucking thing runs an AOSP fork locally.
  • it seems to access rabbit’s cloud endpoints just fine in the video. they even make an account with the device.
  • is the response here really that it isn’t an Android phone cause all the functionality is in the cloud? cause that really doesn’t sound like something that needs bespoke hardware to me.
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

guys, the robot can type rm -rf /, it's so over

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How it started:

it has to be behavior-based detection. I didn’t want to build a script that was only useful to detect and mitigate the specific ransomware executable I created for this blog. Signature-based detection is only useful for a particular file. The second a single byte changes, the file will have a new hash.

(which is not exactly how AV signatures work but anyways...)

How it's going:

[...] scans any file in the /home director, for the strings "cryptography", "cryptodome", "ransom", "locked", "encrypt".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

@sailor_sega_saturn @sinedpick

> For some background on my programming ability, I can read, write, and edit basic scripts in Python, Rust, and Go. I’m far from a seasoned developer.

Wait I think I worked for this guy once

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The article almost looks like satire.

If all script kiddies waste their time trying to use generative AI to produce barely functional malware, we might be marginally safer for a while ^^. Or maybe this is the beginning of an entirely new malware ecology, clueless development using LLMs falling prey to clueless malware using LLMs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

our disappointing cyberpunk future where everything looks like Hollywood hacking because you’re just typing prompts to generate stupid exploit scripts at an LLM, but they all work because the people writing the software being exploited also don’t know what they’re doing

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

you can’t just hit me with fucking comedy gold with no warning like that (archive link cause losing this would be a tragedy)

So my natural thought process was, “If I’m using AI to write my anti-malware script, then why not the malware itself?”

Then as I started building my test VM, I realized I would need help with a general, not necessarily security-focused, script to help set up my testing environment. Why not have AI make me a third?

[…]

cpauto.py — the general IT automation script

First, I created a single junk file to actually encrypt. I originally made 10 files that I was manually copy pasting, and in the middle of that, I got the idea to start automating this.

this one just copies a file to another file, with an increasing numerical suffix on the filename. that’s an easily-googled oneliner in bash, but it took the article author multiple tries to fail to get Copilot to do it (they had to modify the best result it gave to make it work)

rudi_ransom.py (rudimentary ransomware)

I won’t lie. This was scary. I made this while I was making lunch.

this is just a script that iterates over all the files it can access, saves a version encrypted against a random (non-persisted, they couldn’t figure out how to save it) key with a .locked suffix, deletes the original, changes their screen locker message to a “ransom” notice, and presumably locks their screen. that’s 5 whole lines of bash! they won’t stop talking about how they made this incredibly terrifying thing during lunch, because humblebragging about stupid shit and AI fans go hand in hand.

rrw.py (rudimentary ransomware wrecker) This was honestly the hardest script to get working adequately, which compounds upon the scariness of this entire exercise. Again, while I opted for a behavior-based detection anti-ransomware script, I didn’t want it to be too granular so it could only detect the rudi_ransom.py script, but anything that exhibits similar behavior.

this is where it gets fucking hilarious. they use computer security buzzwords to describe such approaches as:

  • trying and failing to kill all python3 processes (so much for a general approach)
  • killing the process if its name contains the string “ransom”
  • using inotify to watch the specific directory containing his test files for changes, and killing any process that modifies those files
  • killing any process that opens more than 20 files (hahaha good fucking luck)
  • killing any process that uses more than 5% CPU that’s running from their test directory

at one point they describe an error caused by the LLM making shit up as progress. after that, the LLM outputs a script that starts killing random system processes.

so, after 42 tries, did they get something that worked?

I was giving friends and colleagues play-by-plays as I was testing various iterations of the scripts while writing this blog, and the consensus opinion was that what I was able to accomplish with a whim was terrifying.

I’m not going to lie, I tend to agree. It’s scary that was I was able create the ransomware/data wiper script so quickly, but it took many hours, several days, 42 different versions, and even more minor edits to fail to stop said ransomware script from executing or kill it after it did. I’m glad the static analysis part worked, but that has a high probability of causing accidental deletions from false positives.

I just want to reiterate that I had my AI app generate my ransomware script while I was making lunch

of course they fucking didn’t

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I was giving friends and colleagues play-by-plays as I was testing various iterations of the scripts while writing this blog, and the consensus opinion was that what I was able to accomplish with a whim was terrifying.

This is correct, but not for the reasons they think it is terrifying. Imagine one of your coworkers revealing they are this bad at their job.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I’ve seen better shellcode in wordpress content injection drivebys

“Everyone also agreed with me that this was terrifying” fuck outta here

And I bet this stupid thing will suddenly be all over infosec sphere within days…

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

impending thonkpieces about "obstructive regulation" getting in the way of ~~them stripmining people no matter the side effects~~ "the free market"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Is it an offence against the church for a group of lay theologians to ordain an AI? no idea. It is very funny though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

as an outsider clicking through all those links..... wow. Wtf is the holy see? Wtf is apostolic episcopal jurisdiction? Who let these people cook?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Could be worse, they could be English.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

these people said "what if we had a church that was also a country with a monarchy" and then cooked for like 800 years

edit: although I think the actual borders only got defined in like the 20th century?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The pope was king of a large chunk of central Italy for 1000 years until the unification of Italy took away almost all of that territory. The Popes insisted he should have all of Rome and refused to acknowledge the situation from 1870 to 1929, only finally coming to an agreement (with the fucking fascists, hmm).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that the position of the papacy after the fall of Rome was that they should have temporal power not only over the city of Rome but of all the territories of the Papal States that had been annexed by the Kingdom of Italy.

Also note that the popes were terrible secular leaders. The papal states were shitty places to live, even considered by the standards of 19th century Italy, and the popes lived in constant fear of their own subjects. In fact the only thing keeping Rome from finally falling was a garrison of French troops, that had to be withdrawn during the Franco-Prussian war. When the citizens of Rome were given the option to join the Kingdom, they won in a plebiscite. The people who wanted a temporal papacy were the elites and foreign ultramontanes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Very true. Of course they voted to join in the plebiscite, they had recently overthrown the Pope in 1849 to make a short-lived republic. Unfortunately France under Louis Napoleon (who had personally participated in an 1831 rebellion against the Pope) crushed that Republic to appease those ultramontanes.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Larpers took any game they could get in the Roman Empire.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Naw, they didn't do anything really awful like ordaining a woman.

--the regular suspects, probably

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m no Catholic but if I were I’d take offense at a site with the URL catholic.com.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The actual Vatican seems to use its own .va domain name, whicb neatly sidesteps the .com vs .org dilemma.....but doesn't explain why they let randomers use catholic.com and catholic.org.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Vatican could start a side hustle marketing vanity websites to Virginia tourism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Back in the day (i.e 2015), .vu custom domains were pretty popular with Tumblr bloggers - I think Vanuatu gave away free urls?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Not wanting to be left out of the action and let our good friends have all the robotic god fun, the catholic church has also got in on the action, and it went so good

From some of those replies you just know the kinds of training data it must’ve had.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

One thing I’d mention is that we spent a lot of time beta-testing this, with thousands of people, before we released it. We did six months of that beta-testing.

I’m sure they tested it, but were their testers the nice Catholic people they happen to know, or, you know, normal internet people?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

this is most certainly a clerical error

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From the bot-runners website:

Catholic Answers works each day to ensure our content is faithful to the Magisterium. Our staff apologists have decades of practice in apologetics, and several hold advanced degrees in theology and philosophy. We maintain a broad list of associates (clergy and laymen) who are experts in the fields of liturgy, history, bioethics, theology, philosophy, canon law, and more.

"And we've decided to throw the hard work of these people under the bus in favor of an unfinished toy that ridicules our faith. A consultant named Damien Thorn made a compelling case!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the imagery (in the article) is also amazing, it's like if someone took all the images of Civ leader dialogue screens as source material for ~~direct replication~~ "inspiration"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

did nobody get the bot to write some python

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Python? I have rooted it, and the vatican is now mining bitcoin for me. (oddly, they already had a full mining kit installed, no idea how this P0P3 guy was, but took all his butts).

E: why is Chris Hansen at my door?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

to help you move to another parish

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