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to nobody's surprise, the rabbit r1 is just a shitty one-purpose android phone
And from the “it’s the same grifters with a new focus” department, an update
oh wow, the NFT thing in the source leak’s README that the orange site tried to call bullshit on was true! who could have seen that coming?
my god, make this a post
The craziest part is that it works as well on a standard phone.
I'm not terribly surprised by this - vendors (and especially rapid-integrators rushing to get to market) are often extremely lazy with this sort of thing. sometimes just by downloading an app (from whatever resource) and poking at it for a small amount of time, you can get it to register and be issued tokens and all kinds of shit
a lot of entities spend most of their efforts on surface things, things users will see. very, very few allocate to foundational parts.
if you want an example of this, set up mitmproxy on your computer, run it in socks5 mode, and set your system's proxy settings to socks everything through the mitmproxy daemon. you might be surprised how many applications Just Work with barely a mention of a changed certificate (nevermind entirely objecting to it)
that was quick! the CEO’s denial is very funny for a number of reasons, but the jig’s up — the supposed point of this device (the assistant) just straight up works on an Android phone, and their modifications to AOSP are almost certainly relatively trivial shit (permissions hole-punching for app interoperability… I can’t actually name a second thing they’d need).
but speaking of that denial:
hoo boy, in detail:
My opinion is that Jesse Lyu is lying about making any significant changes. (Because otherwise the demo wouldn't have worked)
I don't want bad things for him personally, but I want bad things to happen to people who lie in public.
The code is open source with licensing requirements, so I'm therefore hoping someone Jesse has already made a statement to can write him with these requests:
I can imagine him responding in three ways:
oh wow, that’s a good point I hadn’t considered. I looked around and there’s no open source releases or disclosures associated with rabbit at all (unsurprisingly, they don’t even admit the thing runs on AOSP in any material I can find). interestingly, a DuckDuckGo search for a rabbit r1 source disclosure digs up a deleted backend source leak from an account named rabbitscam before anything else (mod note: for obvious reasons, nobody should link the archived contents of that source leak, even though they seem fucking hilarious)
HN thread on leak: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40135250
that’s a pretty big hint as to how someone got the APK — they most likely just dumped the device, and I look forward to an analysis of the contents of the full ROM dump.
most of the orange site thread is absolute garbage, but their CTO posted this incoherent crap on discord (of course it’s discord):
what’s fucking wild is a lot of the orange site posters just take this indecipherable bullshit as fact? like a bunch of the thread just starts criticizing the leak because there’s no LLM model in it but like, that’s the fucking point? according to the leak’s README, the LAM is just a thin and ridiculously insecure way to hook GPT up to a tiny selection of third-party services without even using a proper API. it’s mostly just a ridiculously fragile test automation that won’t scale, triggered by GPT (or, let’s go stupider, it’s probably actually activated by a fuzzy match on the transcript of the user’s voice input). so many orange site posters are trying to talk past the fucking point of the leak, and for fucking what? an overpriced ugly orange cell phone that isn’t actually useful for anything.
and not to talk past the elephant in the room myself: you can extract the fucking node backend source from rabbit’s login “minions” (services?) if you just spend enough time with them? what in the fuck?
Holy fuck! That man does not sound like an engineer. Why is he the CTO of anything?
MVP = Minimum Venture-fundable Prototype