Coming from someone who's clearly never used Arch... It is anything but stable, that's kinda the whole point.
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Asshole meme template + really biased take. You really wanted to be downvoted aren't you ?
arch? don't you mean shart?
Arch has no reason to exist as almost all of it's benefits are replicated with nix without having your system fail to boot because you dared to update it.
What the fuck do you do to have this happen?
Run pacman -Syu, reboot, and it fails to boot. Had it happen many times with arch and derivatives on multiple devices. It's far more likely to happen if you don't update for like a month.
First off, run Syyu, the old arch gods demand it
Also have a copy of pacman-static somewhere so that you can fix your shit in case of a partial upgrade (and trust me, it can go horribly wrong)
And thirdly, Arch is meant as a power user distro -- despite this abhorrent popularity it has gained, the fact of the matter remains that you need to know the system inside and out, if you make your arch system unable to boot..... Don't use arch
This is not my attempt at elitism. Arch was never meant to be a hassle free distro and it sure as shit is not one.
There are many maintenance-free distros you can use instead. Can I offer you a Debian in these trying times?
Also don't use nvidia hardware
Also have a copy of pacman-static somewhere so that you can fix your shit in case of a partial upgrade (and trust me, it can go horribly wrong)
Oh I know, I quickly learned to never update it without having live media nearby to arch-chroot with.
if you make your arch system unable to boot..... Don't use arch
The only thing I did to make it unbootable is to update it. Going by that logic nobody should use it.
This is not my attempt at elitism. Arch was never meant to be a hassle free distro and it sure as shit is not one.
I definitely agree, that's why I'm commenting against dumbasses suggesting it to beginners. Especially when they glorify AUR.
Can I offer you a Debian in these trying times?
No need, I already landed on MX + nix after 2+ years of arch. Nix unstable gives me all of the benefits of arch (except for the DE) and then plenty more on top. Different downsides, but far less stressful. I'm
You need to keep the update log and go through the whole thing and see if something needs reconfiguring. Sounds shitty? Yeah, that's why I stopped using Arch and Gentoo despite being a veteran
Nowadays I just install Debian or some derivative and call it a damn day. Unless you need some exotic setup (and those are more suited to Gentoo or Slackware anyway)
Oh I had a far simpler method: update and it fails to boot? Rollback and try updating again in a week. It usually works then, but I had to wait a bit more a couple of times.
The only exception was that bad GRUB release. I think that's the only update fail that absolutely required arch-chroot.
Not updating in a month?! What kind of arch user is that?
A dumb one using Arch on a backup media device. At least that one dodged the bad grub release.
I've had it also happen on the main device that was updated multiple times a week.
The gamble is the fun part tho
I decided to dump arch when I was working in a foreign country for a month, had bad internet, and had to weigh whether -Syu or -S would be more likely to break my system. Shit's way too stressful.
Fedora 40 + dnf5. QED.
doesn't opensuse have guis for every single thing you could possibly do?
I get that but he's lost so many pixels is it really him?
If you can recognize its him then yeah its him.
Always gonna downvote fascist memes.
Sorry. I didn't even read it. I just down voted when I saw that terrible human being.
Somebody has never used opensuse. Zypper is an amazing package manager, one of the best on any distro.
It can handle flatpacks, native packages, and packages from the opensuse build system, keeping everything updated and organized.
Pacman is very basic by comparison, and a lot slower too in my experience.
Wait, zypper can handle flatpaks? How?
I would also like to know
Same. Might give it another try.
Wait something can be slower than Zypper? Does it have a bunch of sleep(1) scattered around?
I guess I'm smart enough to install opensuse, but dumb enough that I somehow got slow pacman.
I kid you not, on my hardware zypper is the fastest between ubuntu apt, fedora dnf, and arch pacman. dnf was the second-fastest on my hardware, with apt and pacman being pretty sluggish
I've also used portage which was even slower, but probably not a fair comparison considering how much more complex it is.
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