“The only correct study pew has ever done.” - Trump
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Most people vote on vibes - that’s what the data always shows. They follow their peers, community, maybe a trusted authority figure. They are not, and have never been informed on issues, and they aren’t interested in learning more about them. I think those of us who do try to stay informed fall into the trap of thinking “if these folks were only better educated about this issue they would vote differently”. But that has never been and will never be true. Gotta project better vibes, baby!
The more charismatic candidate wins almost every time. The parties and candidates already analyzed which issues will get them the votes, they have whole teams breaking down which positions poll the best in which county.
The actual result is based on which candidate voters would rather have a beer with. The elections are mostly decided by swing voters. Swing voters don't have strong opinions on the issues which is why they are swing voters
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Pretty sure most poling data has been "adjusted" to fit the narrative of the oligarchy at this point. Think for yourselves kids.
Idk. I want to agree, but that's how we got Qanon. Thinking for yourself without data is just inviting biases to control what you believe to be true.
I want it to be true that America would not have actually chosen Trump, but the older I get the more I see, the more I realize we're surrounded by severely under informed, misinformed, disinformed, igorant, selfish, people. The moment nuance is required to actually understand a situation, you can bet it won't be. :(
Reminder, QANON started on the internet as a joke making fun of Republicans.
I want it to be true that America would not have actually chosen Trump, but the older I get the more I see, the more I realize we're surrounded by severely under informed, misinformed, disinformed, igorant, selfish, people. The moment nuance is required to actually understand a situation, you can bet it won't be. :(
By design, unfortunately :(
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This was the Pew Research Center, the most credible polling organization in the US, and in the article it explains how they compensate for potential biases.
They even surveyed 9 times the usual sample size to make sure this was a legitimate trend.
The article is from NPR, the most credible news outlet in the US.
People need to snap out of this denial that the US didn't willingly vote in a fascist because we were sick of stagnation
the most credible news outlet in the US
The most credible corporate-funded media outlet in the US.
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But what if the data itself is the problem? The Rockland county tampering case may show that the voting machines did not report the actual vote. In that case, we have very good analysis of incorrect data.
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How could they have gotten this information without literally asking everyone in the country?
Statistics is hard.
I’m just saying that a good chunk of nonvoters have never voted, so there is no preexisting pattern to predict what they would do. For the last 4 elections, the polls have been largely incorrect. It just seems like a massive assumption to say if every single person voted, he still would have won, particularly when you consider the statistical anomalies in the swing states this last election.
The sample size for this survey was 9 times more than usual.
This is accurate data.
I have yet to understand how surveys compensate for most people ignoring unknown phone calls or texts. The ones who do answer are not representative of the total population.
I know some of people who were hit by scam surveys the last year, which are common too. Those scams scare some people away even from snail mail invites.
I think until these methods explained slowly, in small words, I am going to assume this is biased to older and more gullible , those who drift towards Trump.
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Right, but that is a survey of the type of people who answer surveys. I have to wonder how many people who don’t bother to vote also do bother to answer surveys about voting.
Pretty sure an organization like Pew knows how yes l to handle the most basic challenges with polling (self-selection bias of those who answer polls). There are validated, proven ways to address those issues with a large enough sample size and specific methods for how and who they poll.
Pretty sure means don’t know.
I grew up on pew data; I was disappointed years ago when they stopped using face to face interviews.
Later, I could not get a good answer about how they dealt with the scam epidemic the last few years
I’m beginning to think most polling companies in the USA have serious flaws in their methodology because of changes in the last few years, and they’re not going back to in person questions.
But these are institutions now in the USA, so most people assume they know what they are doing.
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And yet they are still regularly wrong. Because statistics are probability, not certainty.
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This is why it will take decades to undo the damage to the reputation of the United States on the world stage.
The world cannot count on Americans to vote for sanity.
Considered how many countries was couped or bombed by the united snakes, the reputation ahould have been so low for decades
I think it was pretty perceptive of people that they can notice us being trapped in a slow decline and voting for chaos to get us off this path for better or worse.
Same thing happened in 2016. When people are disillusioned they vote for change, when the Democrats don't offer positive change then they vote for the Republicans who always cause negative change.
From the outside looking in, I'm waiting for evidence that Americans want to scrub fascism out of their politics.
I'm not optimistic.
The problem is the people voting for the fascists don't see it as that and are told by their chosen propaganda outlets that it isn't fascism, it's actually the people on the other side who want to do such horrible horrible things like: provide access to affordable childcare. Gasp!
There's also a lack of understanding of the concept of fascism as related to corporate subservience which a lot of Democrats could be guilty of as well. Unfortunately the shitforbrains SCOTUS ruled corporations are people, money is political speech, and a person's political speech can't be limited: unlimited spending for campaigns.
Even if people are misinformed or don't understand the concept of fascism, they still voted for a rapist. If you vote for a rapist, you are a bad person. You can't spin it any other way. Rape isn't that difficult to understand.
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Oh, the rest of the world sees sees the wilful ignorance, and the considerable funds that go into entrenching it.
We also see that Americans don't consider the above to be sufficient reason to show up to vote against heavy handed social engineering designed to harm them.
The rest of the world is at the mercy of every fucking American election cycle, left with fading hope that Americans will pull their heads out of their asses.
Hopefully they isolate themselves so much that the rest of the world will be influenced less by their election cycle.
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