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Poland: We’re ready to host nuclear weapons (www.politico.eu)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

"Watch this, imma fuck with Putin real quick."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Unnecessary, there is nothing Poland can offer that isn't already guaranteed by an Ohio class submarine

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Me too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

We already had the Cuban missile crisis before, we don't need this shit again. This time it might go differently.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Cool, let's let them. Poland's a strong ally in Europe. I don't see a downside

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's a mirror of "Cuba is a strong ally in the West, let's let them have nukes. What could go wrong"

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago

Nothing did go wrong, though. If you're saying there was a close call, that's true, but Russia doesn't have the ability to threaten a conventional response. And no one gets nuked for moving nukes around; look at Belarus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

The problem with the world is that good people are conflicted while evil people are confident.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

you don't see any downside to nuclear escalation?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Countries that have nukes don't get invaded. Simple as

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This isn't the same. Host nukes is not owning nukes, they seems to be proposing housing US nukes that Poland would not have control of, or be able to launch. With no launch codes, they aren't a valid deterrent to conventional war, unless the world is convinced the US would use them to protect Polish sovereignty, which would obviously not be on the table.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There's no way USA would ever let Russia (or any other enemy) even near the nukes in Poland.

So really hosting USA's nukes provides a double guarantee for help in case of invasion on top of NATO

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago

How many countries owning or hosting nukes have been invaded?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Duda said it? Yeah let's just ignore that

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

While I can understand Poland's desire to have nuclear weapons available, this seems like it would be a really provocative step towards Russia. Nuclear weapons positioned that close to Russia will raise the threat of a nuclear first strike against Russia. Even without an unstable strongman in charge of Russia, it's easy to see how a Russian government would be uncomfortable with this. At the same time, with an unstable strongman in charge of Russia, the provocation may not matter. Putin has proven he is willing to invade his neighbor and slaughter thousands, without provocation. So, I'm sure Poland isn't as worried about provocation as they are defense.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

While I can understand Poland’s desire to have nuclear weapons available

Available to whom? Do you think he meant nonexistent Polish nukes? Or maybe USA ones which will be entirely outside Poland control.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Yeah, what provocation could there possibly have been?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

Good for yall

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

This cannot end well.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

Oh it's Duda, you can safely disregard that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good news everyone!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We're slowly but surely moving towards a solution for global warming.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Really the problem is humans. Get them out of the equation and bóom

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Groups of humans have lived beneficially with other life before. Plenty of folks are doing it right now. The endless need for consumption and extraction are manufactured for the benefit of the few. Eliminate the system that requires endless economic growth and we can start making decisions that won't destroy ourselves and others

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Will you start and put yourself in a grave? Or is it just the "others"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

If every joke I made landed I'd quit posting and get a Netflix special