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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The fact that anyone who thought buying one of these was a good idea has enough money to do so is proof that we don't live in a meritocracy

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

recalls are expensive...

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Tesla fans have taken issue with the word “recall” in the past when the company has proven adept at fixing its problems through over-the-air software updates. But they likely will have to admit that, in this case, the terminology applies.

Even if Tesla sucks super hard, I agree with these complaints. I immediately checked to see if this was a "real" recall or a software one. Since they all need some physical work on them it definitely applies, but I really wish they used a different term for software update "recalls". It's confusing word choice.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is a bad take. Software updates that fix life threatening defects are as serious as any recall.

It's motivated reasoning. Either the people making this argument are Tesla owners, simps, or shareholders and are trying to protect the phantasmagorical value of the company.

Saying "my car's drive-by-wire software gets more firmware updates than my printer" is not a flex.

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[–] [email protected] 184 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Software updates should absolutely be recalls. Ship a complete vehicle or don’t. I absolutely do not want cars to turn in what games are today. I do not want hotfixes on my car because they didn’t test. Fuck an OTA update too, I don’t want that either, if they need an update it’s a recall and the cars have to go back to the shop. I want it to hurt and appropriately damage the company’s reputation.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I dont disagree with anything you said, I just think there should be a different, but equally severe term for clarity. It's not hurting Tesla so much as devaluing the word "recall". Make it hurt, Tesla is reckless with the way they ship unfinished products, but as I said before, I wasn't even sure what "recall" meant in this sense.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

I’m saying upgrade what it’s considered to recall. No OTA hot fix, car goes back to the shop. A proper recall just like any other recall. A software issue is just as dangerous as a hardware issue for something like an accelerator pedal. To be clear, this isn’t Tesla hate, this is modern “sell unfinished products” hate. I’d say the same thing for any other manufacturer.

If the blinker pattern needs to be updated, that’s fine for OTA in my opinion, and shouldn’t be a recall. Problems with the accelerator, brakes, steering, anything safety critical - nah. Recall for that, proper recall.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Put your hate for Tesla aside for a moment. If a car company can fix an issue with a simple OTA software update, it’s way more convenient for both the customer and the manufacturer. Quality control of an update is a separate issue but I don’t imagine there’s a difference whether your car updates itself or gets taken in for the update- the same patch gets applied in either case.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It’s not Tesla that I hate. It’s shipping products too quickly.

The inconvenience is the point. I want people to be inconvenienced, myself included. That means people complain to one another. I’ll know which models suck simply by talking to people around me. I do not want quiet stealthy patches for things like an accelerator pedal. Either do it right or pay the price. We used to make cars without hot fixes, we don’t need to start. It will allow auto manufacturers to further cut corners and push for faster releases with less testing, and we pay the price with our lives.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

Calling it a recall or an update won't change that. Enshittification is happening everywhere all the time anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

3878 Cybertrucks were produced from November to April, that doesn't bode well for Tesla. Are there any recent numbers of the reservation holders for this abomination? I am curious to know how many have canceled their reservations.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I know nothing about the auto industry, but that doesn’t sound like a bad number for a brand new class of vehicles that costs close to $100k.

Legit, I can’t imagine anybody wanting to buy this thing for half that price.

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