I mean, I get it. But what exactly is being produced in heaven such that the workers own the means of its production?
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But it's okay because they made everyone else's life a living hell. They deserve it.
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And also genderless
It’ll be just like North Korea!
Classless?!?! Haha, someone look up the heaven flow chart (yes really) for Mormons. 3 levels of heaven and outer darkness (hell). For those that make it to the top, congrats on being a god! You and your many wives will enjoy eternity as you crush the hopes and dreams of your own creation.
Not exclusive to Mormons. Devine comedy dictates different levels of heaven. Enoch also states levels of heaven.
To be honest the Divine Comedy is fanfiction and not canon
Granted but it is held in high regard by many popes, including the current.
You mean Morons right?
Hah. It’s implied
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Classless? Having almost everyone be forced to eternally worship one dude sounds like classes to me.
Also, not everyone get to go to heaven. Only the "worthy".
And worthy is largely arbitrary and contradictory... So god is a fascist, apparently...
I agree: it’s stupid of them to criticize communism, because communism is precisely as authoritarian a regime as their religious utopia.
Every Communist that isn't authoritarian would like to disagree with you. Anarchists are not Marxist-Lenninists for example
It doesn’t really matter—it’s inherent to the system. It’s built on a violent overthrow of the current system, followed by a single-party “transitional” government that never actually transitions and violently suppressed all opposition. Every communist movement that has ever taken over a nation state has devolved into an authoritarian dictatorship. Communists-lite like to call that a big, but it’s pretty clear to me and most other people that it’s a feature.
How about Chile, for example? They had a left-wing front consisting of socialists and communists that came to power without any violence through a purely democratic process, was fairly popular with electorate, and then got forcefully overthrown by CIA-backed military junta in 1973 (cause surprise-surprise: a socialist/communist state in South America was not in US's interests, and it was a cold war era).
There is nothing inherent about transitional government or even violent overthrow of a current system, communism in its purest form is only about creating the economy that distributes wealth according to people's needs. It doesn't automatically describe the means to get there, and what was conducted in 20th century was an attempt to implement one of the ways mapped by 19th-20th century thinkers.
Some communists will say the general direction was right, but the implementation wrong; some others will say the approach itself was wrong and we need to start building communist society in an entirely different way. Both will be communists.
Arguably, in heaven all resources are ready and abundant, while on earth everything takes time and effort.
So yeah, if you can just pick a freshly baked pizza from the next tree anytime, why would you need any incentive to work on anything?
On the other hand, on earth, pizzas take time and resources to make. Hence if one person makes pizza, that person may not want to give it to people who simply choose to do nothing all day.
Concluding, this comparison does not really work.
Many believe the early church was marxist ("had all things in common", etc).
Jesus was a communist (even if an utopian/idealist one)
I mean, yeah probably. Jesus was pretty clearly a socialist, though I'm not studied enough in socialism or the bible to say which version of socialist he was.
Or they just read what is said about Jesus in the bible? Marx didn't invent the concept of helping the poor by sharing.
Ah yes, tankies who are so permanently online, they have never been able to ask for sauce in their entire lives - please tell me how to run the world
So the asshole who posted this claims after we die and go to heaven it's going to be the same shit that we have right now?!
Somebody has to mine the gold the streets are paved with.
There is a singular authoritarian dictator. You may not disobey. The punishment for your first infraction is eternal torture.
But otherwise...yes. Getting to heaven is about winning, and you can't be a winner without there being losers.
you can't be a winner without there being losers
There's no biblical reasoning why everyone can't go to heaven, losers are not mandatory. In fact in Christianity, "Jesus died for your sins," so supposedly you get a free pass as long as you aren't a big piece of shit.
It's the Jehovah's witnesses that think there is limited space in heaven, it's what motivates them to convert everyone. By converting so many unbelievers, they'll rise up the ranks and get that heaven spot for themself. The people they converted? Doomed to hell, I suppose. A sacrifice to get them into heaven.
JWs are pretty messed up.
They're both fantasies
Communism has existed
It is significantly easier to establish communism in a small community, where you can see the people daily that you consider part of your tribe, than a national communism where the work you put in benefits someone on the far side of the country that you've never met, and may consider them as part of your "tribe" on an intellectual level, but not much beyond that.
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