Dearest Biden,
Please stop trying to get Trump elected.
Pleasant Regards, Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.
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U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
Fuck you Robert Wood!
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Taiwan can't get recognized despite its government being a founding member of the UN and folks surprised it's contentious for Palestine to be recognized?
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Someone remind me again why does the US, or any country, have veto power in the UN?
A veto power basically makes the entire institution useless.
Because without it there would be no UN, and as useless as you think the current UN is, I promise you no UN is even more useless.
It's bleak but the fact that we can even get everybody in the same room is remarkable. Like it or not, a UN where Monaco and the US (or, Russia, China, etc) have the same power at the table is a UN where the big players reject its authority and form their own clubs.
Justify how there would be no UN without such veto. Because, honestly, an agreement council where you can only agree as a group to do something if the big players don't say otherwise to me looks like it just compounds the eternal problems we already have and is nothing more than just another flavour of "feel free to protest in a way that does not importunate me" Capitalism.
Because there isn't a UN without America, China and Russia.
France and the UK could leave and the UN could exist but those 3? Not a chance.
Each of those larger nations carries so much weight that their influence on global politics would outshine any body that tried to legislate without them.
The UN could exist technically but it would have no teeth at all. It has few enough as is.
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See league of nations.
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Does Palestine even have a reasonable government that could represent them?
I posed a question in another thread, but this one seems like it's winning:
Who would represent Palestine if they had been accepted? Who can represent Palestine?
PA, you know Gaza isn't Palestine. Plus the two state is set at the founding of Israel, and both Israel and Palestine have equal rights to be represented in the UN.
It is another story that Israel is trying deliberately to undermine Palestinian rights and oppose any statehood. All the road blocks, checkpoints, walls, settlement etc. built and imposed to the Palestinian population are completely illegal according to international law, but again Israel backed by the US act with extreme impunity.
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Well in a 2 state solution, you'd expect the Palestinians to be able to choose.
Unless we don't want a 2 state solution.
Right. But wouldn't they need a Palestine state before being eligible to join the UN? With unified leadership to represent them?
Seems like a prerequisite.
That's putting the cart before the horse. You can't say "you have to have conducted a general election before you become a nation state."
That would be like telling a slave they can't become a free person unless they've already got a job that pays them direct wages.
That's not accurate. A UN recognition of nation state is not a pre requisite for self governance. FIFA recognizes more nations than the UN. If Taiwan can't be recognized by the UN I don't think there's reasonable expectation for Palestine.
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139 countries recognize Palestine as a state. Officially, they're a non member observer state.
Which of their two "governments" is being represented though?
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Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.
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Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don't like.
Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.
That's right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.
Every international organization alike, is there to perpetuate US/Europe imperialism.
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if there are 192 people at a table and 1 Nazi you have 193 Nazis
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
Ambassador Riyad Mansour told the council after the vote: “The fact that this resolution did not pass will not break our will and it will not defeat our determination.”
Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, reiterated the commitment to a two-state solution but asserted that Israel believes Palestine “is a permanent strategic threat.”
Ambassador Gilad Erdan called the resolution “disconnected to the reality on the ground” and warned that it “will cause only destruction for years to come and harm any chance for future dialogue.”
Six months after the Oct. 7 attack by the Hamas militant group, which controlled Gaza, and the killing of 1,200 people in “the most brutal massacre of Jews since the Holocaust,” he accused the Security Council of seeking “to reward the perpetrators of these atrocities with statehood.”
After the vote, Erdan thanked the United States and particularly President Joe Biden “for standing up for truth and morality in the face of hypocrisy and politics.”
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