Now imagine how much the christian god's mind was changed by the roman government
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I believe that Satan has a hold of you.
I believe that the Lord God has sent me here.
And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people.
-"I Believe" from The Book of Mormon (the musical)
We got the golden plates!
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Why is polygamy even illegal in the first place?
Because gender bounded polygamy causes serious social issues. Look at the FLDS for examples of it in modern day. My stance is to remove the gender bounding and enforce strict minimum age to marry laws. But yeah, 18th century USA wasn’t going to let women have multiple husbands much less let men have multiple husbands and women have multiple wives.
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Tax reasons. You can have as many partners living with you as you want, but once past one "official" partner, it would get super complicated. Plus one wife would be able to hire the other partners as a way to disguise income and keep everyone just under the personal....wait. you can do that anyways.
You could set rules specifically for polyamourous marriage when it comes to taxes. I don't really see anything ethically wrong with the practice in and of itself when it's consensual to all and not just a scheme for bullshit like tax breaks/evasion or human trafficking.
I think official marriage is weird anyway. It's just a ritual stemming from religion that has been co-opted by governments to deal with stuff that doesn't matter to people who just wanna be together. 🤷🏻♂️
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This actually makes Mormon God sort of more reasonable compared to other, stubborn gods, right? I mean making their followers lives easier by letting them to not confront civic government makes sense...
Holy (ofc not really) shit TIL
I think organized religion is always a risk for causing trouble, but this Mormon God's flexibility is exactly the kind of anti-extremist leadership I'd like to see more of if we are going to keep doing the religion thing. Now if only he would get cool with beer and coffee.
The funny part is that Mormon god was only flexible when it suited Joseph Smith.
I mean, it's kinda oddly coincidental that God spoke to JS and told him that polygamy was ok right after his wife told him she was furiously against it, don't you think?
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To be fair, Joseph Smith wrote "The Articles of Faith" well before polygamy was abolished, which states:
- We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
So the belief that polygamy still has value may remain. Or it may not. It's hard to tell without a change in the law.
Mormons still practise polygamy sort of. They have "sealings" which is marriage forever, not just "'til death do us part". If a widow is to remarry, she needs to break the sealing to her dead spouse if she wishes to be sealed to get new one (or she could stay sealed to her first spouse and only marry the second until death).
A widower, however, doesn't need to break the previous sealing. He can be sealed to multiple women no problem. Essentially polygamy, but only in the afterlife.
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I've hung out with a bunch of Mormons and while they personally felt it was weird now, because they have grown up in a monogamous nation, the church itself would definitely gear up to switch back, if it was legal.
That would be a process, though. They are currently taught that it is morally fine, but following the laws of the land is important, and basically treat it like part of their history. On an individual level, the ones I know seemed fine with that, even those that had an active role in the church.
It's also not that strange in more secular contexts, see this article about polyamory in general. So I think it makes sense for people to be okay with the concept of plural marriage, while not wanting to engage with it themselves (e.g. it wouldn't work for me).
Yeah I agree. Religions have bonus rules related to that, but consent makes it fine, there's no actual ick there innately. There's plenty of room for a religion to make it creepy and not OK, but that's not fundamentally tied to polygamy.
I suspect most of the time, non monogamy via religion is going to be shitty. It's probably going to favor men and be controlling.
I know many people who do consensual non monogamy in real life. Personally I don't like the DADT or strictly-hierarchical modes
People who aren't familiar with it say some pretty wild things about it.
My take is if you can have multiple friends, and you're okay with your friends having friends, you're like 80% of the way there.
The last 20% is likely to crash into "it just is, stop asking me to introspect this is uncomfortable and I'm mad!"
I don’t think anyone was framing Mormons as the good guys
Even by the standards of organized religion, Mormonism is very weird. Cf Ruby Franke. The early history is absolutely wild, and in Utah they still have tons of money and power and everyone acts like it’s just a normal thing.
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The polygamy thing works great for new religions because it is a sure fire way to easily create more adherents from a small amount of stock. Indoctrinating children from birth is way easier than converting adults.
It also makes it way easier to convert some adults
Mostly male adults
Mostly.
Any man who claims he's only polygamous for religious reasons is lying. We all know he just wants a harem of women in his bed.
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As for the last part they must of had some awesome power to enslave "demons" for so long. I wonder how the mental gymnastics worked on that one?
At least in previous history, Soloman was probably involved. /s