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Europeans still aren't buying Teslas with figures out Wednesday showing sales plunged for a fifth month in a row in May, a blow to investors who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now.

Tesla sales fell 28% last month in 30 European countries even as the overall market for electric vehicles expanded sharply, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association. The poor showing comes after Tesla's billionaire CEO had promised a “major rebound” was coming last month, adding to a recent buying frenzy among investors.

They were selling on Wednesday, pushing the prices down more than 4% in early afternoon trading.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Einer geht noch! 🎶

[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Apart of Elon being idiot why would we even consider buying Tesla anyway? Competition is much better when it comes to things like access to authorized service. Charging network is a non-issue in Europe as we have full roaming and one socket standard and brands like Kia, Mercedes or even BYD have competitive prices while all being great quality.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Rivian seems better in literally every way, isn't it?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's been a while since I looked at EVs, but my (US) experience at the time was that Tesla was one of very few companies offering sedan-shaped EVs. The US market was full of crossovers & SUVs (like Rivian), and that form factor seems antagonistic to many of the things that make high performance, long range EVs: terrible aerodynamics, high body weight, poor visibility... They're big enough to fill will batteries to compensate for the poor efficiency, but that just raises costs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Had a conversation about this the other day with a coworker, albeit about ICE cars but still applicable I think. Car manufacturers made tremendous progress in effeciency and negated all of that by justifying making their cars 2x bigger than they were 20 years ago. It's ridiculous. A modern Subaru Outback is about the same size as a mid-90s Suburban. Gets about the same mileage as my 2001 Outback, even with all the effeciency tech

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

According to Tim Urban's blog article on Tesla and Muck from 2015, one of Muck's stated goals was to jumpstart the other auto manufacturers into producing their own EVs to accelerate the trend toward a more sustainable energy future. Whether that was true then or now is irrelevant, but it is nice to see EVs of many brands being made and purchased. Obligatory Fuck Muck, existential disappointment that he will forever be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The current move towards electrification would not have happened or would have taken a lot over without Tesla. The Model 3 really was a huge breakthrough by showing that you can build a car that people actually want to drive and make it affordable. That pretty much made all the excuses of the incumbents moot.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is the one credit I will give to Tesla and Musk, they made the EV not only a realistic choice, but actually cool.

The original Model S was a cool car when it was launched, but now there are plenty of other cooler alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

It's not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.

For instance, Kodak pretty much invented the digital camera, but Canon and Nikon are the clear leaders now while Kodak's digital camera division was sold off.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It’s not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.

Except Tesla wasn't the first mass market EV. It wasn't even the second. The first would be the GM EV1 in 1997:

Many would argue that the EV1 doesn't count because it was on old technology. Fine then, the Nissan Leaf from 2009 then sporting its lithium battery:

Tesla Model S brought performance, range and styling that both of those were missing. However, we don't need Tesla anymore in the world if Musk is still benefiting from it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In Tesla's case, its because they rushed to beat the competition. You'll notice they were a "tech company" not a traditional car company. The actual car companies came out with mature, fully baked, offerings rather than trying to be the first.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Also, one huge Pro to not having a tesla is not having to worry about it blowing up for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

c'mon, incidental explosions are what make life exciting!

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