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The FDA's regulation or lack thereof is partially a horror show. Not just for this. But all sorts of implants and techniques get grandfathered in and lead to partially horrific results for people.
Oh I think it was Medical Devices: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) where I saw this. 4 year old.
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Don't buy their shit. They already made cancerous feeding bottles for babies, so...
Philips said it would stop selling the devices in the U.S
Lol wtf bro! Just stop selling it! Fuckers will now start selling in in 3rd world countries like China, India etc.
China is not a third world country
It is sort of by definition. Third world doesn't actually mean poor or backward
Oh really ? Damn i was there last year and no different that other 3rd world. Rampant poverty, shitty roads etc. Mind it , I was not living in the city , city is developed but same is the case for all 3rd world countries.
"Third world" just meant Africa, but picked up the "poor" connotation from those ads in the 80s with the starving african children, a "Nimrod" affect.
If you want to get pedantic about it, 3rd world originally meant countries that didn't take sides in the cold war. 1st world was US and western European democracies and their client states and allies, 2nd world was USSR and their client states and allies.
3rd world was Africa, India, a lot of SE Asia and some Central/South American countries.
Fun fact, Finland and Sweden were also third world countries under this definition.
and Ireland too!
Come to the midwest of the USA. You'll find all of that shit out here, too, if you know where to look.
Joe & Nic's road trip is an eye opener for techbros not aware of the poverty in their nation.
The US is also a third world country just like china.
And Antarctica
I don’t separate countries by arbitrary terms like “third world.” It’s a country and people live within it.
Philips said it would stop selling the devices in the U.S.
cool. So the rest of the world can get stuffed.
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This isnt even about the materials breaking down, every product breaks down eventually. But cars from 30 years ago have better critical air path separation than that.... how badly did they fuck up the engineering to even make it possible for housing components to get sucked into the intake?
Oh, it probably would have cost an additional $0.45 per unit to inject the housing in a different way that provides a hard barrier between the mechanicals and air intake so it got shitcanned...
I'm not sure, but your comment seems to imply an assumption that the foam was designed to be external to the air path and is getting unintentionally sucked in? That's not the case, the foam is literally only inside an "air chamber" that the air directly travels through.
Maybe more like $0.05. But yeah..
Well either way the extra profit is worth the realized potential carnage. Oh well I guess, no one will go to jail anyway
It's weird they only stop selling them now, it's been at least a year in France we know it kills people. I believe there is also a trial.
Why would Phillips remove them in France but keep selling them in the usa ?
Edit: my bad, it's been 2 years we know it gives cancer.
Well fuck me. I've been using one of these things for nearly a decade.
Be happy, you helped make some people at Phillip richer.
In all seriousness, Phillip itself admitted the foam in their device can make headache, give toxicity and cancer. I've not been able to read the official declaration, only news report but if I was you I would check that because when the company itself admit it can give cancer, you know it's bad.
Capitalism
I use another brand (Resmed) and pulled my old one apart to see what's inside. They are well engineered - and they need to be, as they run 7-8 hours, every night. They also have quite a bit of soundproofing surounding the pump. Mine had spray expanding foam and the spongy seat padding type, but this is all outside the airflow. I suppose they could use foam inside the air tubes for further sound damping, but it seems a bit dumb as if any breaks off it will go straight up your nose.
More info is needed. Here ya go folks:
Philips recalled the following devices made between 2009 and April 26, 2021:
A-Series BiPAP A30
A-Series BiPAP A40 (ventilator)
A-Series BiPAP Hybrid A30
A-Series BiPAP V30 Auto (ventilator)
C-Series ASV (ventilator)
C-Series S/T and AVAPS
DreamStation
DreamStation ASV
DreamStation Go
DreamStation ST, AVAPS
Dorma 400
Dorma 500
E30
Garbin Plus, Aeris, LifeVent (ventilator)
OmniLab Advanced+
REMstar SE Auto
SystemOne ASV4
SystemOne (Q-Series)
Trilogy 100 (ventilator)
Trilogy 200 (ventilator)
But how did they die?
Blows gas and pieces of foam into the airway. So it suffocates you when it's supposed to stop you from suffocating basically.