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Hamas rejects Israel's ceasefire response, sticks to main demands (www.reuters.com)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Reuters still pushing Zionist propaganda 6 months in. Sad to see.

We all know israel is the only party rejecting an actual permanent ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't agree.

Reuters is the highest credibility international, least biased, news website that pushes news.

Zionist news are part of the news, same as the Palestinian news are part of the news.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Wars generally end when one side surrenders.

Neither Israel nor Hamas wants to surrender, so there is no reason to expect a "permanent ceasefire".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There have been multiple previous wars between Hamas and israel, and other parties like Lebanon, and it usually ends in a ceasefire.

Israel saying they want keep committing Genocide after a 6 week break and then occupy Gaza isn't exactly a great deal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A lot of wars have ended in a stalemate.

And if Israel is just stopping the onslaught in Gaza it is not a surrender. They wouldn't have given up anything.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Agreed. Israel is going to the meetings but their proposals amount to "give us back the Israeli hostages, we'll give you a few hundred of the thousands of Palestinians we're imprisoning, and then we'll go back to killing you mmkay?" Even their ceasefire proposals are a) temporary and b) don't stop the terrible conditions of apartheid/hostile occupation the Palestinians were living in for decades before Oct. 7th.

Netanyahu has made it clear he will keep on killing Palestinians until Hamas is eliminated aka for as long as it serves his purposes. Don't forget Netanyahu's administrations are the whole reason Hamas was put in and kept power in the first place.

[+] [email protected] -25 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Don't defend Hamas. They are a pure unadulterated terrorist group who would torture you to death because you aren't a pure Muslim.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago

No stop this is a pro Iranian theocratic dictatorship community! Hamas are nice people that absolutely would never literally stone people to death for saying nice things about democracy or asking for elections.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Since you’re writing uneducated nonsense and I’ll just bluntly assume you’re an Israel supporter. Here’s a copy-paste of my previous comments.

Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).

Now Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the actions Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 39-40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.

From this we can conclude that Hamas did not start this but Israel did and that Hamas is fighting back.

Israel is currently doing:

Stealing land
Ethnic cleansing
Genocide
Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race
Lying to the world
They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
They think and say that Palestinian people are, the “inferior” race
Apartheid
Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”

Who’s the actual terrorist here?

I condemn both Israel and Hamas but if Israel had not stolen the land and murdered people from 1948 up until now. They (Hamas) would not even exist today. Hamas has become so violent, hateful and such because the world is just watching and doing nothing while Palestinians are getting murdered and humiliated on a daily basis.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The earliest inhabitants in recorded history were Judaic and spoke Hebrew. Seems you're of the mind that Israel has no right to exist. You're describing a warzone. Maybe tell your buddies in Hamas to stop using cities as human shields, oh wait they want the highest number of civilian casualties (Martyrs™) as possible because other than taking hostages, using human shields and hiding underground is their last cowardly leverage. Even Japan surrendered and they were an actual country.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

The earliest inhabitants in recorded history were Judaic and spoke Hebrew

And many of their children became Christian after Jesus and many became Muslim after Mohamed (s.a.s). The Palestinian people are ethnically the direct descendants of the Hebrew speaking Jews you are referring to. And before the European Jews, many of whom did not speak Hebrew by the way, invaded the land, Muslims, Christians and Jews were coexisting on the land of their ancestors. The people of Moses never left the land. Just that now their great great great great great... great cousins are forcing them out of the land, their branch of lineage has left hundreds and thousands of years ago.

The whole ethnic argument of zionism is a lie, that is as absurd as US Americans claiming rights to indigenous lands, because they have some 1/1024th native ethnics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Seems you're of the mind that Israel has no right to exist.

Israel has a right to exist but not in the way they exist now. They exist through murdering, humiliating, apartheid, stealing land and genocide. If back in the day they politely asked the Palestinian people there to live together in peace. That would be an acceptable reason and right to exist.

So no, I don’t think Israel has a right to exist on the way they made the state. Because that means, Palestinians have no right anymore to their own land that was stolen.

It is and stays Palestinian land and the Palestinians have right to it. An occupier cannot become its owner. Never.

You're describing a warzone. Maybe tell your buddies in Hamas to stop using cities as human shields, oh wait they want the highest June of civilian casualties as possible because other than taking hostages, human shields are is their last cowardly leverage. Even Japan surrendered and they were an actual country.

Got any trustable source for your claims of “human shields” and “highest civilian casualties”?

I always find it ironic how Israel supporters claim a lot but zero evidence to back it up and make things immensely personal. It seems Israel supporters cannot discuss without being emotional.

Not only that, it is Israel who has been murdering more than 30 000 civilians and not Hamas.

Also majority of the Israeli people don’t even want the Likud party anymore and they don’t believe in this “war”. This isn’t a war, this is a genocide. A military backed by US Vs a normal group that calls themselves Hamas.

Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds | Reuters

Israel’s war on Gaza – six relentless months of death and destruction | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Downvoted not because I defend Hamas (which is indeed awful) but because the premise of your post is a lazy, overused attempt to deflect criticism of Israeli crime. Where is the poster defending Hamas? Hamas isn't even mentioned. He's condemning Zionist propaganda and Israeli refusals to stop killing which is completely factual and an ethical stance. Take your strawman elsewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Why does the article call the people held by Israel "prisoners", but the people held by Palestine "hostages"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

To paint one side as legitimate and the other as not

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You have got to be kidding me with this nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So what would you call it when people are violently taken form there home by an occupying force, are not charged with or convicted for any crime by a court of law and are not granted access to any legal representation?

Because that is what Israeli "Imprisonment" of Palestinians in the Westbank looks like. Oh and of course the women and children are raped and people are tortured.

https://www.omct.org/en/resources/urgent-interventions/israel-inhuman-and-degrading-treatment-including-sexual-harassment-of-palestinian-women-and-girls-detained-in-neve-tertze-womens-prison-ramle
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
https://www.phr.org.il/en/sexual-gender-based-violence-2024/?pr=17797

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Israel calls the system it uses to imprison people without trial or even charges "administrative detention". It's hostage taking under a sanitized name and in terms of #'s Israel is provably many times worse than already-terrible Hamas.

"Before October 7, the number of Palestinians held by Israel under administrative detention was already at a 20-year high. According to the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem, there were 1,310 Palestinians imprisoned without charge or trial at the end of September, including at least 146 minors. Since then, Israel has dramatically increased its use of administrative detention, pushing the number of detainees to over 2,000 within the first four weeks of the war. (That’s out of a total of roughly 7,000 Palestinian prisoners.)"

People are often imprisoned for no other reason than Israelis don't like them. Sometimes it's social media posts. The average length of detention without trial or charge is a year. So if an Israeli soldier doesn't like you being free, you can lose a year of your life being abused in prison for no other reason. There is an appeals process, but a report showed appeals failed 98.8% of the time from 2015-17 and there were no successes at all in 2023. "The overall figure is outrageous,” Montell said. “This is a patently illegal practice. These people should be given a fair trial or released.”

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, having a hostage generally implies your intent is to hold that person captive in exchange for a demand being fulfilled, after which point you at least claim that you will release them. Presumably, Israel doesnt intend or claim that it will release those it has imprisoned even if it gets what it wants, so calling them hostages wouldnt really be accurate. One could call the people held by Hamas prisoners too I suppose, since that just implies them to be held against their will, but as they are explicitly being held in order to be used as a bargaining chip, calling them hostages adds more information about the situation than just calling them prisoners too would.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You make sense, and I sort of agree so I won't downvote and just add my bit. The "prisoners" are definitely being used as negotiation leverage in every discussion with Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know this goes against the grain of what is being portrayed but a prisoner is also someone who has done something wrong where a hostage is totally innocent

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In that case, given that many of the people kept by Israel have never seen the inside of a courtroom, that would be a biased use of “prisoner.”

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