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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

I'd find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn't support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (16 children)

Fuck Iran. Their government is way worse than Israel's. Do I need to remind everyone that they're feeding Russia with the drones that they use to attack civilians in Ukraine?

Here's hoping that Iran's next revolution won't end up in a total disaster like the previous one did.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

you think WW3 is starting because of Israel? Can I also get under the rock your been living under, must be nice there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Israel is a prominent member of the global western capitalistic hegemony, and they are escalating tensions with their genocide and attack on Iran. I wouldn't say they're the only ones responsible, but they do share a large portion of the blame.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m

Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

They have a big share in the current state of affairs, whether it is the genocide of the Palestinian people or the complete failure of Europe. the German state hasn't changed a fucking bit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Do people actually think the middle east conflict will start ww3?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could easily be the start of it. If the US civil wars with the orangutan and his ilk, and China starts to fuck with Russia because Xi recognises Putin as a paper tiger dumbass (though China's army is also paper tigery, so...) or just escalates their fighting with India...

Then... That'd be most of the world involved in war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

China has absolutely no reason to invade the pile of self-extracting resources that currently can only sell to them.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Lol 😂🤡

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wwi lead to wwiii lead to wwiii it's germans all the way down

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Germans were no more responsible for WWI than the British, French, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They also ditched nuclear energy and stayed over reliant on russian fossil fuel, funding the Russian war machine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Now we're funding the US regime war machine after they blew up NS2 and 'sanctions'.
Paying extortion prices for dirty US fracking gas that make companies uncompetitive and causing the economy to collapse.
The US leeches always profit from war, same as in WW2.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

The nuclear rods in Europe are mainly made with Uranium from Kazakhstan processed in Russia.

The German failure was not expanding renewables. Getting out of nuclear energy is geopolitically and financially sound.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

It's still possible to ask if Germany could have prevented it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.

The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.

What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

The Nazis were just as brutal to Russians as they were to Jews, and yet modern Germany has no trouble understanding it shouldn't support Russia today. The "holocaust guilt" excuse for supporting Israel seems like an excuse

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

I don't say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:

Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:

So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's laudable of you to bring attention to these other atrocities. Without creating a "race to the bottom" regarding what was worse, I still want to point out that the horror of the Holocaust was not only in the number of killed.

I'm aware of a couple of the atrocities you mentioned, but as far as I'm aware, they don't carry the clinical state-sponsored efficiency that is a hallmark of the Holocaust. When I compare Gaza today to the holocaust, that's what I'm comparing, rather than the number of killed. It's about the way Isreal has decided to wipe out the population of Gaza, and systematically does so completely unhindered.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The problem is that Germans now just look generally pro-genocidal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is a classic problem of going into one ditch, then oversteering and hitting the opposite ditch.

Germany has worked so hard on "The Holocaust was terrible, we will forever support the Jews to make up for it" that they're now supporting a genocidal Jewish state.

My point is that I understand why this is hard for them. For them to oppose Israel invokes some associations that they really want to keep far away. However, now, supporting Israel invokes the same associations. This puts them in a kind of catch-22 situation, where no matter what they do, they're invoking associations to the Nazis.

To be clear: I think the only right thing to do now is to oppose Israel. I just understand why that is exceptionally hard for Germany.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Jewish people when they realize they are the new nazis

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Not every jew is a zionist. Don't conflate the two. Israel does not have a right to exist, and jews do.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

AfD be like: It hasn't officially started yet 👀

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you lmao I was like why is there an American flag

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

You misspelled Austrians.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

They're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct 👍

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Is that the bright side of life?

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