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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I read the whole transcript and I came to conclusion that the author is , to put it gently, bad faith.

Of course if you’re going to give negative opinion on the product made by a single man he is going to want to talk with you. The opposite would be strange, and denying its right to answer is disrespectful and childish.

Doesn’t mean you have to apologize or concede anything, but giving the man a quick and sincere talk about it is just basic level of dignity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I think the harassment is unwarranted and clearly the CEO thinks he's too important to be ignored. But the content of the email itself seems to make sense to me. Am I missing something?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I didn't see anything wrong with vlad's emails. Nothing wrong with trying to talk things out with someone who doesn't like your platform. Kind of like how I think this post is shit and you don't want to talk about it lolol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I agree, your post is shit and nobody here wants to talk to you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like CEO and OP are both a bit sus. Stay clear of both equally.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ah yes, both sides, the most worthwhile take

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

You've proven to be extremely hostile in this thread. I don't know which account here is the author but it seems someone here has the power to ban dissidents. Please ban me so I don't have to see this shit anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

First time this community came up on my feed and it'll be the last time I read it, as I'm filtering it out. Seems like a couple permanently-online perpetual victims looking for attention. Here's a tip, kids: getting emailed by someone who wants to refute your assertions is not abnormal. In the real world, people will try to defend themselves when you make allegations about them or their work. Receiving an unsolicited email is not harassment and it does not cross any boundaries.

Burying your head in the sand and yelling "you can't argue with me because I'm not listening" is how a toddler interacts with their world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

oh cool I finally get to tell someone named spez to fuck himself

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

actually, i don't think possessing the ability to send email entitles you to """debate""" with anyone who publishes material disagreeing with you or the way your company runs, and i'm pretty sure responding with a (polite) "fuck off" is a perfectly reasonable approach to the kinds of people who believe they have an inalienable right to argue with you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I think you might have just made it clear for me why the worst debatelords on the internet are rallying around this asshole. he’s just them but with the perceived prestige of being the CEO of a very momentarily successful internet company

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

why do people think it's a sick burn to write "I saw you strangers talking to each other on the other side of the room and I had to come over here to tell you I don't like you and I *won't* hang out with you!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

fucking right? like it’s so important to come here and scream a barely changed variant of “I disagree that the ceo is acting unhinged because reason not given” and demand a Very Serious Debate with us

like fuck me, I’ll take a post defending the ceo if it’s not all bad faith debatebro shit and low effort garbage. if it’s a bad point not made maliciously I’ll just downvote it. there’s also a fair few folks (including some of our regulars) who use kagi enough they can’t dump it because there’s no good alternative. that’s fine! this isn’t a fucking purity test, but this is a honeypot for posters we don’t want here. this instance and its communities will never choose growth over quality.

also, if any of these fuckers are going to come at a queer person for sharing a tech opinion they don’t personally like, they’d best have something much stronger than “no I think lori’s the unhinged one” cause we’ve seen this game played before

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We all use impure shit, there is no ethical yadda under yadda. I might always have to use Windows. David's on Twitter. Probably more than half the sub uses Chrome. Every time a North American gets a package in a cardboard box they're funding one of America's shittiest GOP megadonors. But ain't nobody in here defending Musk or Pichai or Uihlein or Nadella like the weird nerds meme.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's like the classic comic "we should improve society somewhat!" "And yet you participate in society!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

“you claim to be a socialist and yet you have the money required to survive in a capitalist society, what a hypocrite”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I am coming from cold on this, I knew kagi existed, It was on my bucket list to do research before even considering any trial, well kagi is not for me since I will never make an account to search web.

That being said, I read through both the blog and the email chain, and I was still so confused on whose side to take i read through OP's other articles and comments and oh my god. Only thing i concluded is Vlad may have crossed boundaries in terms of emailing someone against their wishes, but the email chain wasn't enough for me conclude he is narcisst, OP however is definitely pot calling the kettle black.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

oh cool there’s also anti-trans shit in your recent post history, cause of course there is

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

nice try but we know the contents of lori’s blog and posts elsewhere and if you’ve got an issue with a queer person posting their takes on tech and being queer, you can fuck on off of TechTakes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I'm just trying to use independent search engines with their own index/crawler. I used DDG for many years but the fact that it's basically a front end for Bing and Microsoft started to bother me, particularly since they put ChatGPT into Bing.

I only know of Brave Search, Mojeek, and Kagi to be independent and private at this point. I don't want to pay for Kagi, Mojeek has its uses but I wouldn't use it as my main engine, so that left Brave Search. The company and CEO is sus, I don't use their chromium browser, and their search results seem to emulate and optimize ranking based on the big guys (Google and Bing) but in 2024 search is hard to come by and it's more important to me to be fully independent of big tech.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

We need open search. Like Wikipedia for search, or something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I saw this post earlier that mentions some other search options, along with plenty of other suggestions in the comments. Hopefully you can find something you like in there! I haven't checked them all out myself yet.

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