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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (32 children)

note: tech sociopath apologists in this thread will be removed and banned for everyone's best interests

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I swear I knew these fuckers were dodgy when I saw how UX designed their website was. A better search engine would sell itself even if it looked like craigslist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Removed

I'm just trying to fit in

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

vlad should’ve stopped at the first time lori told him to stop, definitely, but this whole thing just turned into something else.

and, what surprises me the most, is this attitude of “either you are completely defending lori or else you are a transphobe, queer hater, dehumanizing piece of shit”. my opinion goes, not to defend the actual piece of shit ceo, but to defend our opinions against anyone, and lori failed to do so. lori’s attitude comes closer to throwing a stone and hiding the hand, even though i agree with lori’s point.

by no means the poster is forced to debate, i recognize that. and if lori did not want to, perfectly fine. respectable. but the action (and public posts) are still subject to criticism; like mine, that goes against the fact that saying something controversial and then proceeding to be shocked like “omg, how odd, is people being critical of what i said? outrageous!” is funny.

and the mod banning and removing what he feels are apologist crap is the cherry on top. authoritarian vibes all around.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

that's wonderfully both-sides of you, thank you for your contribution

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

A programmer's search engine it is not, that's for sure from my experience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm the crazy one but I read the full email thread and his responses didn't seem deranged or unhinged as the author claims. Weird a tech CEO gets into it like over email with a blogger but I just see a guy defending his product. (I haven't seen the stuff he's posted on discord though, as another commenter mentioned)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

yeah that's great thanks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Copy-pasting the alt-text from one of the screenshots because I can't be assed to type it out myself:

Discord convo from 07/15/22, Vlad: people who really need anonymity are very rare. Probably less than a 100 in the entire world. Definitely not typical Kagi users. Unless they are criminals, in which case we don't care they don't have full anonymity (nor we want them as customers)

yikes, double yikes and triple yikes.

I guess he doesn't care to help women find a safe way to have an abortion in 14 out of 50 US states (source), for starters. Nor to help the doubtlessly more-than-100 queer folk in places that outlaw homosexuality.

Or maybe he's such a genius that he knows how to keep them safe without actually keeping them anonymous - and in that case, he should start selling such a technique as its own product /s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I want vlad to list his criteria for who makes that list of 100 people, cause something tells me it’s all oligarchs and other powerful and monied people, and absolutely nobody whose life or livelihood is directly threatened by an information leak

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It seems like he was rude to email you specifically when you told him not to, but the rest is just standard CEO behaviour.

It seems like he had answers/responses to a lot of what you said so I'm still kind of with him (though guardedly). Mainly due to lack of a better option; I do think paid search is the way forward.

Probably what he should have done is a response blog-post that we could have also discussed publically, and at our own leisure.

Reading your article I get why he would have got defensive (regardless of if he's covering his ass or has genuine counter-arguments).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

are you aware that David isn’t Lori?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The post desc is in the first person. People use different usernames for things too.

Does it change the validity of what I said?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah so just to be clear: you missed that the title of this thread is barely modified from a dril quote and spent so little time reading the linked article that you missed it wasn’t written by David Gerard?

your original post was just barely not bannable because “CEOs are just like this” is a shitty but valid take. now it’s obvious you didn’t put even a minimal amount of effort into your post.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

aaaahem Pixelated Duck quote

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

oh fuck! im not owned! im not owned!!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I miss twitter

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

admittedly, no: it's still all just as unhinged ridiculous invalid derpery as it was before you missed the simple rhetorical device of post title phrasing including "we"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

no, it continues to fail the pointless dipshit bar we apply locally

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