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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I blame the uptight protestants who needed a severe moral code or something.

Also, for a time period, in some tropical places bare breasts supposedly meant a prostitute was working.

I think that in Korea, up to the early 20th century, women of age were topless to show they weren't married. Covered up meant they were no longer free? Need a source on it for specifics if anyone cares to search.

And it was in an African tribe i think that the opposite happened. Bare breasts meant a mother that was actively breastfeeding.

It's all foggy memories though, so accuracy is low.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'd guess since about the first civilized settlements with agriculture.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Once all the boomers die, y'all can hang out topless wherever you want. Everybody else is cool with it.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Okay I'm gonna post something like an actual answer, which I feel like will get downvoted bc y'all are men but whatever.

Women's bodies are sexualized, plain and simple. Breasts perform the biological function of nourishing a baby, but that has seemingly become secondary to their entity as an object of sexual desire, namely by men. So you have 3 factors - breasts are seen as sexual in nature, sex is considered taboo in many western cultures, and men are generally the ones who hold positions of power. Put that all together and you have laws and cultural attitudes that require that breasts be concealed in public.

Men's nipples are completely fine though. Men can walk around shirtless (in many places, perhaps not "most" but 100% more than can be said for a woman) and no one bats an eye, but the female nipple is considered obscene because it is seen as sexual.

All this "they don't" "not in Europe" "yeah aren't you disappointed" "hurr durr udders" fuckouttahere with that dismissive bullshit lmao

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago

I think OP knows all this and agrees with it as well. I think they were asking historically when the shift happened.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

AS A MAN I KNOW it's when I got chubby and because I don't like air on my nipples.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Even though it's just a text post, I can hear your disappointment.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It’s a conspiracy by Big Dairy to keep us udderly focused.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have been told that the taste of breast milk makes you want to hurt yourself, so Big Dairy is doing us all a favor with that one, honestly.

I am more concerned with minimalism being a scheme by Big Small to sell us more less.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

My Holstein brings all the boys to the yard...

[–] [email protected] 89 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Victorian England is responsible for most of our annoying modesty rules. As to why... I'm not certain, they were just fucking prudes.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When your wealth system is nothing but cruel unfairness you always need somewhere else to point a finger, that somewhere was boobs.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Today it’s immigrants and trans people.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago

It varies by culture, but the short explanation is "Victorian morality".

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Where?

There's more than a few countries even in Western Europe where women can go topless in public.

Depending on where you're talking about, there's lots of different answers including "they don't"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Women can go topless in public in most of Canada and the US too, they just don't most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In North America you can expect verbal or physical assault for going topless. There's very much a culture of "She was asking for it".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Common saying about sexuality where I live, "A woman should cover herself. A man's going to be a man!" By man, I mean creep, but that's not how most people, including women, feel, even though it's literally creepy/pervy/and sexual assault.

I walked my dog past a church yesterday, baggy jeans and tee, and a guy who was letting himself in asked how I was and if I was behaving. I said I was fine and always behave. He literally leered so hard at me when he said I was having no fun that I couldn't get home fast enough.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Can but it's still not normal or typical.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

It's actually becoming less normal in a lot of places since every creep has a smartphone with a camera these days. Women have found their pictures or filmclips back on the internet, which was not the reason for going topless.

Also, it's been allowed in the last 50 - 60 years for most countries, not so much before.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In Spain, nudity is a constitutionally guaranteed human right - that's a stark difference compared to America and voyeuristic spying is considered a crime entirely on the peeper and not on the person having their privacy violated.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right, but it's not normal outside of beaches.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

You're correct, you won't find topless women wandering around city streets - but a woman may feel comfortable hanging up their laundry topless or being topless in their home near windows. In some parts of the US and Canada you can actually be fines for casual nudity if some asshole judge deemed it exhibitionist.

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