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Considering Israel and the US are bombing Iran's nuclear facilities because they have "weapons of mass destruction", if Iran really did have such weapons, wouldn't bombing the facilities they're held in cause them to explode, or cause an evident ripple at least? I may be imagining this in a way cartoonier way than military weapons actually work, but I'm preparing myself for some incredibly annoying debates.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Nope. Exploding a nuclear bomb/warhead is a complicated and fickely thing. Everything must happen in the right speed and order, or it will be a dud. It will be a radioactive thing, yes, and might spread some seriously bad stuff around, but thats "just" some radioactive stuff in a few ten meters radius instead of blowing up a city.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't work that way bro

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah I stuck a screwdriver in there, it's fine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Uh oh spaghetti-o's

Cherenkov radiation blue light INTENSIFIES

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Nukes are actually extremely hard to set off. H-bombs even moreso. It requires extremely, extremely precise explosively-driven compression.

Gun-type firing mechanisms are simpler, but by no means “simple”.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Some nuclear bombs are so hard to make explode that they need another nuclear bomb to ignite them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Nuclear bombs are not like conventional bombs. It is very difficult to make them explode. They aren't volatile. The way the ones dropped on Japan detonated was something like two halves of a core hit each other super super hard and were propelled by a bunch of shot gun shells. Compare that to things like black powder where it's just fire.

I don't think fires or bombs on nuclear sites are good, nor do I necessarily believe there were nuclear weapons, but I don't think they'd detonate like what you're thinking. Like how a fire at a fireworks factory causes a horrible chain reaction where everything blows up. Nothing like that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

If there were nukes in those bunkers, they would have moved them as soon as Israel attacked. Sauce: journalist who works in the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Different topic but same idea. Worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/BuIPYfO5-qE&t=15m55s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes. The people in this thread are wrong. Bombing a nuke can set it off, just not fully.

A nuke may require many precise detonations to function as intended. When everything goes right it will release it's full power.

When an external explosion hits the nuke, only some material should activate, causing a relatively tiny explosion. Shouldn't be any real fallout.

This assumes the designers specifically made the nuke to not go off from one explosion. There's no rule that says you need to make nukes safe. People shouldn't dismiss a partial detonation of a nuke like it's nothing.

Edit: look up "one-point safety." Safer nukes are designed so very little happens when there's eg an explosion. If nukes didn't go off when bombed this wouldn't be a thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

One-point safety is about preventing a nuclear yield when one of the explosives inside the nuke go off by accident and not all of the detonation triggers. It does help to prevent accidental nuclear yield if the nuke is destroyed by an external explosion. But you're understimaing how extremely difficult it is to initiate a nuclear fission event. Not only should all the trigger explosives go off, the fission material has to be hit by the explosion from the right place and in a correct sequence and timeframe. Else the fission won't start.

Bombs are even stored separate from the explosives sometimes, for extra safety. The biggest issue with these attacks is radioactive material contamination. The risk of a nuclear explosion from bombing a weapons development or storage site is one in billions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The internal explosive may malfunction from an external stimuli, such as a massive bomb detonation near it.

One-point safety sets cutoffs for how much yield can be produced from a malfunction. That's for countries experienced with nukes who had time to fix their catastrophic failures.

Considering there's many ways to design nukes, different countries have different technological capabilities, the answer isn't a squeaky clean "No." when someone asks if nukes can explode when bombed. Answers should have more gradation. And they shouldn't imply a nuke in Iran wouldn't catastrophically fail because sophisticated designs from countries allowed to have nukes have ironed out the wrinkles. Iran is smart and capable like any other country but they're being badly stressed and their context is different than the traditional nuclear powers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

It may, but that is in armed and ready bombs. Nukes are stored with the explosives separate from the fissible material.

That point is moot though. As we know Iran is still years away from a nuclear bomb, because Trump and Netanyahu are liars. As evidence by the fact there is no radioactive spill from the facilities destroyed. Either Iran didn't have the material there yet, or they already built the bombs and they are stored elsewhere. The first scenario seems more likely.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No they won't

Nukes are extremely hard to build and ensure they can explode. You're talking extremely precisely timed explosives that with even a mili second off, will make your heavy nuke turn into a dud. Throwing a bomb right on top of one will not make it go off.

What CAN happen is that an explosion like that ruptures the nuke had throws the fissile material around, effectively making your nuke a dirty bomb.

Also, since they've been bombing nuclear facilities I can guarantee you that they have boat loads of very shitty (radioactive) chemicals laying around there which with these bombings now will also be spread around everywhere

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Excellent response.

I'm just commenting to say that they've determined that there is no rise in radiation around the sites they struck, so either there was no radioactive material stored there, or they didn't impact the sites as badly as they are claiming. If there was radioactive material, it remained contained. They may still have to rebuild their facilities, but they still have the most important element, the uranium.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, since they've been bombing nuclear facilities I can guarantee you that they have boat loads of very shitty (radioactive) chemicals laying around there which with these bombings now will also be spread around everywhere

So far no radiation was detected, so perhaps it was stored more securely (or somewhere else).

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even more concerning. This indicates that either:

1.: The radioactive material hasn‘t been destroyed

2.: Israel & USA completely made up Iran‘s nuclear capabilities

3.: Nuclear warheads have already been made and transported. Unlikely but nothing to joke about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Third is not highly probably, because definitely sites were monitored much earlier than the strikes themselves. Especially after Iran lost air superiority

Any suspicious activity would be noticed

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nuclear bombs are extremely stable when not armed. If you blow one up with external explosives it will just break.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I do wonder though, if they had enough uranium to make a few nukes and it just got all exploded, wouldn't there still be some fallout/spread over time?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Inside a bunker?300 meter underground?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah I dunno maybe it blasts a bunch of shit out the entrance, or something. Who knows lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, that’s one of the primary concerns. The nuclear material isn’t likely to actually explode, but the material can easily get spread by an explosion. Essentially turning a bunker buster bomb into a giant dirty bomb.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

That's how dirty bombs work - an explosion deliberately blasts radioactive material in as wide an area as it can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I would presume so, yes.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago

You can explode a nuclear bomb by activating the firing mechanism. This will make the mushroom cloud. If you blow something up NEXT to a nuclear bomb, you can scatter the bomb components and create a dirty bomb, which is just a regular explosion plus SOME radiation.

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