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I am so tired of the whole "cool pope" thing with Francis. It's 100% PR.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who the fuck do these Vatican people think they are, to lecture others on morality? The previous pope instructed all of Catholosism that they were not to report pedophile priests to the police on pain of excommunication. And this is apparently fine by the current pope.

They are a bunch of idiots with no coherent concept of morality. All morality is based on personal responsibility, but most Christians seem to think they can ask their imaginary friend - rather than the one they have wronged - for forgiveness, and be granted it! It is absolutely absurd. I'm not saying that Christians in general are bad people, I'm just saying we shouldn't be looking towards Christianity or any of its leaders for moral guidance.

Incidentally - do you know which World War 2 nazis were excommunicated for their crimes by the Catholic church? You'd probably be surprised to know that it was only one. One! And who was it? It was Joseph Goebbels. Among all the heinous crimes commited by the nazis, what was it that Goebbels specifically did that caused the Catholic church to say "enough is enough"? I'll tell you what he did: He married a divorced protestant. "That's it," the Catholic church said, "you no longer get to go to heaven with your fellow nazi war criminals. Killing 13 million people in the Holocaust alone we can live with, but marrying a divorced protestant? No, we can't have that, that would be, like, totally immoral dude."

But surely, I hear you say, the Catholic church was against the nazis? No. No, they were not. Hitler's birthday was celebrated in German Catholic churces all throughout the war. Only in 1960's did the Catholic church apologize for its silence during the Holocaust, and revert the hitherto established doctrine that all currently living Jews - including children - are personally responsible for killing Jesus. That's why they didn't oppose the Holocaust - because the Jews (never mind that they weren't the only victims) had it coming, since they were all (some-fucking-how) personally responsible for "killing Jesus".

So, yeah. I'm not going to let these morons lecture me or anyone else on morality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Who the fuck do these Vatican people think they are

The most powerful government in the world.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Who asked Vatican? Don't they fuck kids? I'm not asking my local child molester what they think about my wife pegging me, let's stop giving fucktards a platform.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Vatican should shut the fuck up and pay attention to their own bullshit before casting their stone. The glass house they live in is barely held together. How many children at this point now?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's important to note that all the times he's been the "cool pope" he's prefaced all his statements with the phrase "ex cathedra", which means he's speaking as himself, not "the Pope". Because anything he says as "the Pope" is the official church position.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gotta hand it to all the folks who warned me that "cool pope" was just paying lip service to progressive ideals and didn't actually fundamentally change how shitty the actual Catholic church is. They were right all along and I owe them all an apology.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

He's kind of a wimp, then. I'm sure his progressive views are genuine, he has no reason to lie, but I'd think he would know that Canon Law is geared towards papal supremacy, the Cardinals can denounce him all they like, but they can't kick him out. Sure, he could start a schism, but the world was overdue for one, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

there's the catholic church that I knew and hated.

I wonder why multiple adults beating the shit out of 6 year old me with yardsticks wasn't a threat to human dignity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Pretty ironic considering what they have done to human dignity for centuries

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

so the vatican is running the same fuckin narratives as the american GOP??? Surrogacy?!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

And thr vatican can fuck right off with their outdated world view.

Wonder why they’re losing so many followers

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Human dignity has been a nonarguement for 100,000 years

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Human dignity is certainly not something the world's leading sponsor of institutional child rape should have any opinion on

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like that's a bit of a conservative estimate honestly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably. the further back you look, the less dignified humanity appears. dignity drops hard in the face of reality

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The universe was a mistake and all that jazz.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

The only threat to human dignity here is child-rapists being considered the experts on morality.

Conservatism is a vile plague and religion a tool of conservatism. There is no greater threat to humanity than conservative religious people.

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