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The French National Assembly on Thursday unanimously adopted a bill aimed at restricting the manufacture and sale of products containing per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances — also known as PFAS or “forever chemicals.” The MPs, backed by the government, voted to exclude kitchen utensils from the scope of the text.

Thanks to an intense lobbying push, manufacturers of frying pans and saucepans — including the SEB group, which owns Tefal — are exempt from this ban under the proposed law penned by French Green MPs.

Majority groups initially tried to delay the ban on kitchen utensils until 2030 — a timetable refused by the French Green MPs who instead suggested an exemption until 2026.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I love that tefal stuff ngl.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I was French I'd probably demonstrate against the lobby groups and the government decision right now.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Hon hon hon hon

[–] [email protected] 264 points 1 year ago (55 children)

Sounds great, let's ban it in every form except the one we literally eat...

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Eh, at least this will reduce the amounts of PFAS being produced. I mean, teflon pans at least actually have a useful purpose, rather than things like PFAS coated burger wrappers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Exactly, this’ll limit the exposure to them in things you wouldn’t expect them to be on/in. You can avoid Teflon pans and go iron or steel but the amount of stuff coated in PFAS is ridiculous. Hell, even sofas, rugs, blinds, etc all sorts of stuff. And before anyone says “you don’t eat that stuff”, try telling my toddlers that! I bought a black milk frothing jug for my espresso machine. The black coating? Teflon. Not mentioned anywhere, not even marketed as non-stick.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Barely useful. Stainless steel and cast iron can achieve an almost equal non-stick effect, and handle much higher temperatures without toxic offgassing or stuff chipping off and ending up in the food.

Leaden flatware works too, but why use it when we have ceramic?

Teflon isn't necessarily even easier to use than cast iron or stainless steel, I think the main issue there is that the education around how to use cookwear is very poor. It's not just pop on the stove and go.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Almost as good and much bigger pain to use? Yeah, great deal lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cast iron: cook a load of bacon bacon before you try making tomato sauce and don't put it in a dishwasher. Trying not to scratch Teflon is way more of a pain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

We just have plastic and wood utensils for cooking. I guess it would be a pain if you had metal ones

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really isn't that big a pain if you know how to use them. Carbon steel is also a fantastic option.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if you know how to use them

Right

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You really think it's that hard for somebody to learn to scrub something with salt instead of soap, or to let a pan heat up before you put stuff in it? You must hang around some dumb fucking people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You're ironically perpetuating a myth that cast iron needs special care. You can clean cast iron with soap just like anything else. You just have to make sure it isn't wet for extended periods of time

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Carbon steel can, too. Plenty of non-nonstick options. And, amusingly enough, many of the highest quality of these items are produced in France.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'd completely forgotten about carbon steel, but you're right!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've never liked teflon either. The coating always seems to get scratched up no matter how careful you are with it (and some of those flakes end up in your food). But some people swear by it, so I could see them getting angry about a ban.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been auper happy with my ceramic pans the past couple years. Seems like nothing stocks to those bad boys

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A dear friend of mine keeps birds, and she exclusively uses ceramic cookware. She swears by it, and honestly I get it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This seems pretty stupid, just use carbon steel or cast iron: They both work great and don't poison everyone!

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking teflon lobbying wins wtf

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Stoneware ftw. Couldn't pay me to go back to Teflon.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do tell. Stoneware as a brand name, or material?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dunno if it's what they are talking about, but I bought a set of the GraniteStone brand and fell in love. So much so that I bought a complete second set and a giant frying pan, lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'll bet that is a brand of PFA

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cast iron FTW. Seasoning makes it non-stick, and it's so much easier to clean compared to other cookware, not to mention it holds a fuckton of heat to give everything a nice sear, and I can put it in the oven.

I've never used stone pans, though, so IDK how they compare.

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