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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hello world!

We would like to start by saying thank you ❤, no really 🙏 THANK YOU to ALL the moderators out there!

Without you folks, we would have no one to help keep our community safe and help build the communities both here on Lemmy.World and on other fine instances. To this end, we want to make sure your voices are heard 📣 loud and clear📣.

So, in the spirit of transparency, we would like everyone to know that we are looking to help out the folks working on Sublinks. Over the last several months we have grown to be more than just Lemmy.World. We've added platforms such as Pixelfed and Sharkey to help offer our users more diverse options for expressing themselves online. We still are very committed to Mastodon as well.

We DO NOT plan on moving away from Lemmy as a software platform at this time. Any changes in our core services would need to be discussed extensively internally AND externally with our community members. We firmly believe in the growth of the Fediverse and without the users, there would only be software, and that's no fun!

Sooo...

The Sublinks team has written up a little survey, which we feel is both thorough and inclusive. It covers a wide range of topics, such as user privacy, and community engagement, along with trying to gauge things that are difficult when moderating.

Also please be aware the information collected by this survey is completely anonymous. As many of us in the social sciences background know, if you want the REAL feelings of individuals, they need to feel safe to express themselves.

👉Moderation Survey HERE👈

Please feel free to comment in this thread, we will do our best to respond to any genuine questions.

We look forward to hearing from each and every one of you!

=Sincerely,
Fedihosting Foundation

PS ... also if this sounds like a corporate press release to you folks, we still punk 🤘😜🤘

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (21 children)

Had to leave the .world instance because of biased moderators censoring my opinions and admins not giving a shit. If not for Lemmy having a system in place for dealing with ineffective staff I would've left this platform already.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Why are .world admins always so hostile? First Antik and now you?

Why does this instance continuously bleed admins? This is why we had an abrupt change on the piracy change

Why was that post shamefully hidden in your community while every donation post and survey pinned for days?

Why do you continuously make up lies about the lemmy developers and spread negativity about them when they promoted this instance at the start of the reddit exodus?

Rookie has a horrible track record with privacy concerns and user-data respect, first with the .world scraper discord bot and now with a microsoft survey?!?

From your reply below it is clear that .world is going to move to sublinks (you are all developing it right?) you mention a script that will automatically move communities there. What about those people that don't want to move, will you allow them to move their community away before you forcefully transfer it?

Will .world federate with Meta on Sublinks or with lemmy?

Will you commit to having a town-hall with the users? This is by far the worst instance for user communication and we deserve to know if that will continue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We are only hostile if you are hostile to us
This was again, sry for this a misscommunication, but to be fair in a legal way, first act then announce it is a common approach.
They just wanted a (indirect) test dummy to test their software on a big scale, and we are sick of it, we are always the first that goes head first into their untested, experimental features, that they probably even didnt started in their test environment and not even mark it as experimental.
The .world "scraper" bot?! is a verificiaton bot for our discord server to reduce trolls, that just uses simple api calls to verify through a dm that it is you and btw, this isnt created by me it is created by someone on the sublinks team.
This will be discussed, so no idea.
Probably, if the users toxicity reduces here, probably yes, we are sorry for that, we hope to improve.

I am sorry but the FHF / Lemmy instance admins are just humans. And yeah there is a feature now to export your blocks, community subscriptions and we are not blocking you to use it if you are really sick of us.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am also feeling a bit uneasy with how the world team seems to throw their weight against the lemmy devs. I don't know any deeper reasoning other than what was discussed openly on lemmy, so who knows if it may be rewarded.

Seeing sunaurus chime in on the supposedly toxic development environment etc. made me feel a lot more sympathetic to the lemmy devs and gave me a different view other than (some of) .world's obvious animosity. The discussion between the beehaw guys and the lemmy devs only reinforced that tbh, although of course here i also might have not all the knowledge to come to a fair conclusion.

All in all i found sunaurus to be the most transparent and sober in his takes, i will take SorteKanin's advice and start using my lemm.ee account more now.

the .world scraper discord bot

What was that all about, i saw it mentioned before but have no idea what happened?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The .world scrapper discord bot he means the discord verification bot. It simply uses the lemmy api to dm you to verify you are the real AchtungDrempels on discord as on lemmy. To reduce trolls and spammers.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is by far the worst instance for user communication and we deserve to know if that will continue.

Just want to point out that the lemmy.world admins don't owe you anything (unless perhaps you are an active donator, but even then it is a donation, not payment for anything) so you don't "deserve" anything from them.

If you are unhappy with your admins, move to another instance. With 0.19.3, you can export your user settings and import them elsewhere, so moving is quite easy and thankfully there are plenty of other instances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This. I feel like a broken record repeating this over and over again.

Maybe we should start [email protected] and post about it in meme form, it might get the message further

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I reckon it's less people not understanding, and more not to want to give up their account history.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

LMAO, Sublinks devs are so engrained in Java that they want to rewrite Rust in Java, and their survey they send is written in Office 365? They're a meme.

The Java idea is absurd and shouldn't be taken seriously.

I disagree with the Lemmy devs' political views a great deal, but:

It's open source so you can audit if they're doing anything bad
Just fork it and improve if you have issues with the code they're writing / features

Java is a horrible language. Nearly every developer I've talked to in the last several decades agrees, even previously hardcore Java devs. Please just stop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

To your tips:

We dont know rust
We dont know rust

We dont want "just" to rewrite lemmy to java, we want to improve the code and thus we ALL dont know and want to understand rust, we chose to use java, as it is good old programming language where structure is already known.

Both languages are good, its just depends on what developer you ask. Both are valid options for a rest api.

Sublinks just wants to add a wider spectrum to the fediverse!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We dont know rust

There is a solution to this problem and it doesn't involve writing any lines of Java or reimplementing a whole system.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hard disagree. I think Java is objectively bad.

I can give Rust to a completely inexperienced dev straight out if high school and they will be able to write a multi threaded program without data races since Rust was designed so that isn't possible. That's one example of many.

Even null is something the creator of null said was an objective mistake, and that concept is embedded into Java, while it doesn't exist in Rust.

Learning Rust to the point where your code is correct is absolutely not hard at all, which is why it's so bizarre when people create projects like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Like said its personal opinion. But what do we see with lemmy? Its on rust and still there are many bugs in there and the feature development is relative slow than to other open source projects.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I don't understand this post, at all... Did something happen to Lemmy? This post has very clear intentions.

If you just wished to help the folks at sublinks to gather information on moderation tools, as you claimed, you should have just opened an issue on their github or on their sublemmy or whatever. Do not create a sticky for 200k people to see.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes the 0.19.4 upgrade happened.

We wanted to give their survey more reach, as a sort of collaboration.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes the 0.19.4 upgrade happened.

And.. what does this mean? Something bad will be introduced with 0.19.4?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We hoped for the best and we got the worst. Even after we waited like multiple months after release and what got we? We got a headon crash to the wall.

Bad documentation, changed setup, ui issues, sort issues, performance issues, ddosed multiple times by smaller 0.19.4 instances that crashed and restarted, some other issues that could have been seen if blackbox tested just once.

For smaller instances ok they can live with it. But we waited extra long, and then got the worst, untested software.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Considering that Lemmy is an open source project which is being built collectively by a big community, your comment sounds extremely strange. You are basically saying "we did not do enough testing for the 0.19.3 release, and we accept none of the blame for it."

Edit: The more I think about your comment, the more strange it becomes.. you guys are literally running the biggest instance, but rather than participate in the testing of big releases, you let smaller instances do it for you and then complain if nobody else is testing it at your scale. Your comments would be completely understandable if this was a paid product, but come on... Just think about it, would you also have this kind of approach for IRL community projects?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We did our testing, but we didnt scaled it up to be similar size of our main instance. There everything seemed fine, but when we upgraded the real issues have rissen up and were just breaking every setup we had.

We had some trust that other instances and developers had tested it at least by turning their instance on and report it, but didnt seemed so. Some issues isnt even caused the instance size. Some issues were documentation were just wrong and not noted it was experimental.

Of course we should have mirrored our big instance, but that would have increased the costs and would be time heavy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

What I'm wondering about is how you might start using a platform with a much, much smaller userbase, and expect that scaling problems won't be as bad or worse. With even less sister instances to get troubleshooting info off of.