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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Facebook doesn't use e2e.

There is a private chat e2e feature, but then your chats don't show up on PC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So either FB isn't actually E2E, or their implementation is Twitter-grade broken.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Who said facebooks private chat would be e2e?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There is no way for these companies to say no to law enforcement. That is why you should stay away from corporate social media.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She aborted at 28 weeks. That's nearly 6 and a half months pregnant. Most babies can survive outside the womb when they're around 22 to 23 weeks. This was a baby, not some tiny fetus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I was born decades ago and 2 months early; in the glass box for weeeeks to beat the 11% survival-at-all stats.

Having said that, IT'S STILL NOT FACEBOOK'S BUSINESS as a conveyor and not a filter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And y'all thought China having your data was something to be afraid of.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When you oppose the left-wing, you're defending this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Gonna Re-Share this resource... PLEASE forward to individuals who may need it! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm almost certain that if something like this happened to any fediverse instance - that a local police enforcement would contact the admin and asked for user's data, which they are required by law to provide or they would go to jail/get a hefty fine and possibly a criminal record, they would do that too. That's also why E2E is required, to prevent such problems for instance admins - but then again, there's really nothing you can do against local law, and if it requires that you have to be able to cooperate, well... Then there's not much the admin can do, without putting himself in a real risk of prosecution, because he is breaking the law by have E2E.

That's also a good reason to be careful when selecting your home instance, and making sure that you choose one in a country that has all right laws in that regard.

Of course, that's assuming the police makes contact. I don't suppose that the admins would be searching through the DMs of people to snitch on them. And if Meta is doing that preemtively and is actively snitching on people - that's downright evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Meta needs to be destroyed. No organisation, person, or people should hold that much power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just yesterday here on Lemmy, I mentioned the dangers of violating privacy, and some commenters went on about "what dangers?" Implying there were none...

Is it not enough to gesture broadly?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one has anything to hide, until they do

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I once heard that "Anyone can be charged with a crime if they can be watched closely enough for long enough."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

America is a terrifying church with guns. I pity the citizens.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

People are getting all upset at Facebook/Meta here but they were served a valid warrant. I don't think there is much to get mad about them here. The takeaway I get is this:

Avoid giving data to others. No matter how trustworthy they are (not that Meta is) they can be legally compelled to release it. Trust only in cryptography.

There is of course the other question of if abortion being illegal is a policy that most people agree with...but that is a whole different kettle of fish that I won't get into here.