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I noticed that the track "Canon (Primo)" by Justice only has 5,815 plays on Spotify, even though every other track on the album has millions of plays. How is this possible? I know it's just an interlude track that you wouldn't listen to unless you're listening to the full album, but still, this play count seems extremely low. What's going on here? (I'm hoping my attached screenshot shows up here)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So I'm not a programmer but I work with a few and they told me that due to the way that certain processor architectures store integers as floating-point numbers, this can happen when a track is listened to exactly 5,815 times.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Hahahahahahahahaa made me laugh

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I wonder how often Stress gets played now... 🤔

That song is aptly named. It really does sound like stress embodied through noise. And it is stressful to listen to. lol

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (3 children)

AFAIK to count as one play, a song needs to be played for more than 30 seconds (source: friend used to work at a record label), so to me it's surprising it has any plays at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Thought this was a sick burn, until I realized the track length.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Interestingly it has more plays on YouTube music:

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Might have been from before that was enforced or a temporary bug.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe people listening at half speed? 😂

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Or # of people that listened to it/entire album twice (27x2 > 30) which given the listener counts of the other songs seems likely.

Maybe it counts if someone downloads it?

It would be interesting to hear from an actual Spotify dev.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure they're absolutely not allowed to tell anything related to this to the public ;)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

No I'm sure they're under NDA, but this specific example doesn't seem like it would provide anyone trying to game the system any insight the numbers don't already provide, unless it was something like "the real counts are zero, the numbers are inflated."

IOW doesn't seem like a big deal. But I can understand most Spotify devs not wanting to risk it.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It seems that Spotify doesn't accurately count plays for tracks under 30 seconds. I had a look through some of the albums I know of with short tracks and here's what I found:

In fact I found the MGMT album 11​•​11​•​11 has a 26 second long track with no reported plays.

So while it's probably true that people are listening to fewer full albums than they used to in the days of vinyl or CD, it seems more likely to do with Spotify only paying royalties on tracks over 30 seconds and the discussion surrounding that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Very interesting, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Maybe people who are listening to the album have removed it from their liked/downloaded songs?

If I shuffle through a playlist and find a song that doesn't add much or just acts as an intro to an album I usually remove it eventually.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's 27 seconds long - Spotify on shuffle won't (AFAICT) play songs below a certain length on shuffle unless you specifically like them.

So it's probably people listening to "Justice Radio" and never being given that song.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ayyy another justice listener, nice; how are your speakers doing btw?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Hello fellow Justice listener ✝ My speakers are getting tired of playing Generator (new track) over and over

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

There's a new track? Aaahhhh!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Mine are getting a bit of an upgrade... I found two 26" speakers ripped from an old stage set and a bag of identical tweeters in my dad's old stuff, I'm currently soldering together a crossover circuit and an amplifier that won't die while trying to run this whole mess; you can bet a bomb threat is gonna be called when genesis and waters of nazareth hit

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Youngsters don’t listen to albums anymore.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Did we ever? Except maybe on the first play through?

Once tapes started being more popular than ever, it became easy to record your own mixtape. So that predates me by a generation or so

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I did for a bit with tapes and CDs, then didn’t for a good long while, but about a decade ago I got into vinyl, which I think is super cool because it’s somewhat difficult to drop the needle right where you want to… and at the same time, listening to one side of a record just feels like a much more atomic experience, and some artists actually build the album so that it adds another layer to the art.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I'm young and I have a full on digital collection of albums on my drive.

I don't like mixtapes for regular listens because I might like the songs in the album if I like one song already.

I do like mixes if I just want to listen to a specific kind of music.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Even on a streaming service if I hear a band i like that I've not heard before from a "radio" playlist I'll go to that band and listen to whatever thier most popular album is.