School course books are more expensive then community college fee.
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Oooo, I like this. Free Associates Degree and if you want to go on to get a Bachelor's it now costs 50% less!
Stick it straight to the for-profit college system.
Free college and legal weed? Why do you have to be so cold, Michigan?
See also: Canada.
It won't be cold for much longer with the way climate change is heading. I moved to Detroit a few years ago, and all my neighbors have commented on how little snow we're getting and how warm winters have been.
You're way further north than me (I'm in West-Central Indiana) and on the lake. It was -14 here last week. I can't believe it was especially balmy there.
Eh, the heat waves and cold snaps are happening nationwide. I more mean that on average, it's been pretty warm. Most of November and December was between 40F and 50F.
But for sure, the lake (and concrete from the city) helps keep temperatures moderate. We're also lucky being on the west side of the lake, so we don't have to deal with lake effect snow.
TIL community colleges are not free...
Definitely cheaper than public/private colleges, but not free. I think my classes came out to ~$1k per semester when I was going to my local community college. It’s still a significant sum for many, but it meant I didn’t need to take out student loans and could pay it off via part time work.
It's a wild comparison. I live in Denmark where you get paid $948 each month for attending college (or any education).
So I assumed that at least it would be free in the US.
Education and medical is outrageously expensive in America. I have had college text books cost $300. For one book.
Every tax dollar spent on education brings in more than $1 net present value of future income tax.
Yes but what if Lenin comes back from the dead and makes my kids gay?
Fellas, is it gay to seize the means of production?
Good idea, hope this does not deteriorate the quality of education. Corruption gets very rampant in public education when there isn't constant and vigilant oversight.
Why would poor high school grads going to college for free corrupt it?
The same reason poor highschool kids are often part of the school to prison pipeline. Corruption in poor students' education leads to intentionally poor education which leads them to struggle as adults to meet the requirements of jobs that a student who got a scholarship to a "good" school will. I think this is a good idea but it's not enough to make community college free. Higher education in general needs to come down drastically in price and the difference in cost between schools needs to come down as well. There is already judgment in adulthood about which school you went to. Now imagine what that judgement will be like when they find out you went to the free kind of community college.
So your argument is that poor kids shouldn't get free college upon graduation because they are inherently stupid and thus needed standards lowered to get them to graduate high school in the first place, and this will carry on into the future. Because they are inherently dumber and less capable simply by virtue of being poor.
You are clearly one of those dumb people.
I literally said it's a good idea and that it needs to go further.
If a policy proposal on Lemmy doesn't live up to a user's personal purity test, it's a terrible policy
It is when that purity test checks for blatant racism and classism, and their position is extremely blatant and inflammatory classism. Likely racism too
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I'm usually against free college, but this is actually a really great idea. It makes education available to everyone, without the additional risk of government mismanagement hamstringing our world-class universities in the process.
Why are you usually against free college?
Because I see the state of public school funding in the US, and I think it's utterly, ludicrously naive to think that our universities will somehow magically avoid the same fate. We live in a world where there's a very real possibility that Trump is elected again, and the people advocating for free college don't seem to be able to put two and two together to realize that this would put Trump's government in complete control of the funding of the universities that he condemns as "liberal brainwashing".
The push for all universities to be free in the US is nothing but utopian wishful thinking that ignores the actual state of US politics, and will have disastrous real-world consequences for the already shaky state of education in the US.
Making community college free seems like a pretty ideal compromise though - everyone gets access to college, and the ability of our universities to take advantage of funding through tuition to ensure that their quality remains among the best in the world is unimpeded.
Personally, it doesn't really matter if it's Biden or Trump. The US will continue breaking fossil fuel records regardless of who sits in the oval office. We have already triggered climate tipping points that will cascade for centuries, even if we stopped global co2 production tomorrow. I predict collapse before or around 2030.
why limit it to only high school graduates?
You generally have to graduate high school or complete the GED to be eligible for enrollment in higher education. This has nothing to do with ability, it's just the minimum for entry
My guess is it has to do with effective use of resources. The tuition is free to the student but not the taxpayer. Teachers and administrators don’t work for free. If you can’t get through state funded education up to high school then the chances probably aren’t great for college. Those seeking a second chance could always complete a ged and get the benefit, hopefully.
If you can’t get through state funded education up to high school then the chances probably aren’t great for college
not true at all, the types of people that don't do well in high school are usually the smartest ones
Oh, don't you wish.
I can see where you are coming from and do not disagree. However these decisions have to be made in aggregate and proportionally, the “geniuses” that failed or dropped out of highchool, are most likely a small minority compared to the overall population.
I would assume those who could actually reasonably pass.
Saying that, over here you automatically get uni entrance when you hit 20 so those who grew after high-school aren't disadvantaged. Have somethings similar would be good.
being a high school graduate says zero about intelligence, and just shows you can blindly follow rules
And? Dealing with arbitrary rules and systems is a major life skill.
Calm down Michigan, save some good ideas for the rest of us!
Seems like a great idea to me. Invest in the population and it’ll pay off, long term.
One of my greatest regrets is dropping out of college. I’m doing ok, thankfully, but it hasn’t been an easy path.
One of my greatest regrets is dropping out of college. I’m doing ok, thankfully, but it hasn’t been an easy path.
This is one of those regrets in life you can actually undo!
I dropped out of Community College after a year there at age 19. I went back to that same Community College at about 34 and finished my Associates Degree at night/weekends while working full time. One really nice thing was all of my credits earned as a teenager were still valid after almost 14 years away. I meant that my time there as a teenager wasn't wasted. I transferred all my credits to University again doing school at night/weekends and finished my Bachelors at age 39. It was one of the best decisions of my life.
Before going back to school I had all kind of anxiety about it. It was much easier as mature adult than as a teenager. I'm happy to share advice or just encouragement if it will help you.
You mean requiring a whole population to pay out of pocket for absolutely everything before they can afford it doesn't lead to growth?