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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

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Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Teethe > jugular arteries, for anyone who needs that pointed out, in case you find yourself in arms length of one of these terrorists.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tell that to their handcuffs and guns.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Utterly delusional to think any of that would work. At every step you would just get your face beaten in. When the cops come they too will just beat your face in.

Thinking you can castle doctrine a squad of ICE agents is equally delusional. You could probably take a couple out but you'd still die in the end and be risking the lives of anyone that lives with you.

The only solution is well known and already in practice in places like LA: have an active community response force that will show up and intimidate and harass the ICE agents. All of the previous delusions assume you, alone, can stop an ICE with just your privledge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

show up and intimidate and harass

Well, show up and exercise first amendment rights certainly!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Before you finish your first word, you'll be facedown on the floor by 4 ICE officers telling you not to "resist"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Don't even engage; just call 911 immediately. If they're not proactively proving their legitimacy they're already guilty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. When an armed, masked man with no ID assaults you, you fucking shoot him dead, or do your damnedest.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. Cops will help the situation..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly. If you have a problem and you call the cops, you now have two problems.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Except HSI and ICE don’t have badge numbers, so you’d say, “What’s your name and call sign?” The call sign is most commonly a letter followed by 3 digits. ex: A-123

https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Customs_and_Border_Protection

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yes still our enemies of oppression and facasium.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Saw this today maybe someone you know can be added to the list https://icelist.info/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

That's to trace them back to the factory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They wear the masks so they can’t be identified. They don’t want their kids friends and school friends to know that what they do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't think they care what their family thinks of them .... I think they care about how angry democratically minded citizens see them as unidentified fascists hiding behind masks

If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral ... then you never have to mask your name or hide your face

If what you are doing is illegal, immoral and highly dangerous to everyone including you and your family and you know it .. then you are more apt to want to hide your identity and avoid having to deal with the repercussions of what you know is wrong

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Great idea.
Hopefully they're not already five deep on you and have you handcuffed and took your phone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ideally while having someone who isn't you record the interaction, so when they drop you to the pavement and your phone 'regrettably' gets smashed to pieces, there's still some external record of what went down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Livestreaming the encounter could also potentially work. But yeah, ideally you probably want as many different camera angles and recordings as you can.

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