Counterpoint, civilian gun ownership is the only reason why most marginalized identities in the US aren't already rounded up into extermination camps en masse. You don't have the first clue about the history and nature of this country if you think we wouldn't quickly accelerate organized genocide without that last line of deterrence. Arm every single minority.
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That's kind of been the whole thing about the anti-2a people: they've kept saying "the people"in "the militia" are the cops and states (as opposed to the federal government), and the law-and-order conservatives aren't saying no to militarizing law enforcement, and the pro-gun right for decades (60s-90s) played along with all the "2a is for hunting" nonsense. The point of 2A is for the government to be afraid to do this crap, but 2A is too watered down at this point to have that effect. The kind of population that could live armed as well as any military (not ours) would just have a different behavior in general.
that was always a transparent excuse... only a total rube would believe that was a legitimate reason to sell guns like popcorn in a theatre
Given sufficient time and inaction, the unlawful government will become the lawful government.
What a hot take, as if firearm owners are all the same, as if there are not left leaning gun owners.
Personal firearms have basically never been used to resist government tyranny in the US or entire rest of the developed world in modern times.
What does consistently work is mass mobilization and turning out in numbers.
Yeah, did you read the examples you gave?
Your literal only modern example is a case in Fiji, an island with a population the size of Nashville, Tennessee, and army of 6,500 people.
And the coup was only successful because the special forces unit of the army that was run by a former SAS commander joined the coup and armed them.
IRA does not count? Really? The dropping of small arms for resistance fighters? Come on, you are getting as selective as you are wrong.
You're referring to the Provisional IRA?
Tell us again how successful they were in their goals of ending British rule in Northern Ireland.
Personal firearms have basically never been used to resist government tyranny in the US or entire rest of the developed world in modern times.
Please show us where success was required in the request?
Oh so you're advocating for resisting in unproductive ways that don't accomplish your goals? Glad to get that out in the open.
Also, the Provisional IRA primarily used military weapons leftover from WW2, modern ones to the era smuggled in from Libya, and homemade IEDs, so not a particularly relevant example.
All those military rifles are legal to own in most nations with gun ownership. It is a very relevant example. Or are you advocating now that this only counts if the firearms are side by side shotguns and hunting rifles?
You are very much moving goalposts here and trying to put words and arguments I did not make in my mouth. Its not complicated, your point was no firearms where used to resist a tyrannical government in modern times, a point so completely incorrect as to be laughable.
No, literally no goal posts have ever been moved.
The point was and always has been, that widespread availability of guns does not effectively resist tyranny in the modern era, but does kill numerous people needlessly.
All you have shown, is a couple random examples of guns being used to take ineffective pot shots at governments that ultimately crush them.
You have provided literally not a single example of people successfully using personal firearms to resist government oppression, let alone at a scale that would justify the thousands and thousands and thousands of needless deaths.
You're just a gun lover blindly trying to justify a reason for owning them when one doesn't exist.
There aren't enough leftist gun owners, sadly.
As clearly can be seen by the distinct lack of ICE shootouts.
The result of several decades from NRA successfully screaming Dems gonna get you guns!
And dems demonizing gun ownership. Seems it worked out great for the right (er) wing.
No, it really didn't benefit them in any meaningful way.
Widespread gun ownership has gotten an enormous number of innocent people killed though.
Well in the states yes, since it is seen as some sort of right and not a privilege that requires basic safety training. The rest of the planet seems to be more sensible.
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