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[–] [email protected] 86 points 7 months ago (13 children)

If you want a smart home/devices, only opt for locally controlled, non-cloud, open source, and self hosted options. Home Assistant is great for home automation.

My mini splits used to be controlled by an Alexa dongle with no other choice from the manufacturer. After some research, I discovered that there was an ESPHome module for controlling them with about $8 worth of stuff. It's more responsive, reliable, will never stop working because some company decided it's no longer worth their time, and has more elaborate controls than anything the manufacturer provided. And I can control three mini splits for half of the cost of one "cloud dongle" from the manufacturer.

The best way to combat enshittification is voting with your wallet. Support projects by people who produce open source solutions. Donate the money you would have spent on the "turnkey cloud" option to help fund the open source project through donations. Until we stop giving these companies money, they're not going to stop screwing us.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Every shitty thing any company does has a bunch of clueless consumers paying them to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

TLDR, enshittification is getting worse and unless there's some laws passed to help consumers it's only going to plunge us into the dystopian future we're already fearing.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Zigbee2mqtt + homeassistant = all I need at home and away.

All my zigbee devices just report in and I automate my home that way.

I have high hopes for matter but in the interim: I've got shit working great. Window sensors to automate air filters going on and off, a humidifier running in response to a few sensors around the apartment, grow lights on and off on some simple timers.

More complicated things like fans and lights for a 3d printing enclosure? Easy: octoprint has a homeassistant hook and I can listen in for printer start/stop.

Local control will always beat out the "easy solution" IMO. It's just a bit more setup.

But it's not a solution I could hand off to technically illiterate grandparents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If we’re talking lights - Lutron Caseta all day. Those things have bullet proof connectivity, support all the major platforms, have great support for homebrew stuff, have hardware that has remained the same for a long time, and local network and switch pairings work offline. If Lutron folds up shop, a lot the “smart” stuff will still work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah but downside: I rent

So everything I'm doing is with smart sockets haha

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I’m really impressed with the breadth of devices homeassistant supports. It tracks the location of me & my wife via our iPhones. When we arrive at home after dark it turns on the exterior lights via zwave. We have 4 WiFi enabled ceiling fans from Big Ass Fans it can control, along with our Ecobee thermostats. Our washer & dryer use Insteon IOLinc modules to notify us when cycles are done. And in a few months we’re having a solar system & Powerwall installed, both of which have home assistant integrations as well.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

So the author is surprised that companies that makes a large chunk of their revenue from advertising is using the stuff it sold as billboards. Color me shocked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm literally buying new smart plugs today because the manufacturer discontinued the firmware. They're still in perfect condition, and the exact same set up that I've always had. It's extremely frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To reduce e-waste, a law should be passed that if hardware is abandoned, it should be open sourced.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how you'd enforce that though. Sure, for companies that just discontinue a line of products you could force them to open up their code. But what about companies that go under and just fold? Unless someone takes the time to open it up as the company goes under, there is no forcing function that I could think of?

Maybe an escrow of sorts but that seems like a hackers wet dream for proprietary software.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

If a law is passed, part of the bankruptcy process is releasing the code or selling off that division to another company.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't buy things because they are investments. I buy things because I believe they will bring me joy in some way.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They aren't talking about an investment for a financial return. They're talking about investing their time and energy in a platform that then gets enshittified

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My recommendation is to buy an RPi, SD card, and Mater devices as much as possible.

Voice is possible on Home Assistant and it will only get better. The devs, like many of us, prefer privacy and local control/storage.

There's a way, it's just not the path the author chose. The better path has only come about in the last year or so, tho.

Fwiw: you can tie the voice stuff into OpenAI and ask questions. It's no longer local and each query costa fraction of a cent... But if you feel like you need that, it's there.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Never buy a (non computing) device for your home that depends on the internet, and especially a cloud service. You will inevitably get burned. There are countless articles online about these pitfalls.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (9 children)

This person prioritized buying the new hotness over researching longevity, and they got burned.

Amazon and Google's products are not where I would invest my money if I was concerned about long term support. Both of those companies have a solid track record of killing stuff off.

Buy that stuff if you want, but don't be surprised if something gets killed off in 3-5 years.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

this just in: buying closed-source black boxes that are wholly under the control of a faceless profit-seeking entity results in a bad experience when said profit-seeking entity starts scraping pennies out of the user's asshole against their will and also has zero incentive to improve user experience or freedom when the user is already platform locked

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Like them, I had the same lesson after changes to Google Home, Smartthings and have moved entirely to cheap stuff that works with Home Assistant and allows me total control

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Some smart devices.

The $20-30 cheap garbage is exactly what it is: cheap garbage.

Apple charges a premium for their streaming box, but guess what: the 4K AppleTV they released in 2017 is still going strong. I’ve had this thing for seven years, it shows no ads on the main screen, and still gets updates. And it’s still fast as hell.

Maybe the enshittification is just on all these Android streamers? I have a Chromecast with GoogleTV in my bedroom, and it’s fine. But it’s just about two years old and already sluggish (especially compared to the AppleTV), and every time I turn it on it takes longer than it should to update the Home Screen with trash I don’t care about.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

My thoughts exactly. Apple is literally still providing new functionality to 10 year old AppleTV HD boxes, and they're still performant.

If you're concerned about longevity, you kind of need to purchase with that in mind.

IMHO, I have no problem with the hardware the author purchased, but I can't say that I'm surprised to hear that long term support is an issue for Amazon, Google, and android TV stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Projectivy Launcher works great. Set it as default on your Chromecast and never see the main UI again!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I've had the same Roku attached to my TV for 6 years and still no issues with it; I don't anticipate any problems for some time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Are you concerned about the forced arbitration they recently pushed on everyone? That caused me to drop them but I’m curious about your take.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Not really. I've not been prompted to agree to anything, and these types of EULA terms are not enforcable where I live.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For those that don't know, forced arbitration or they'll brick *the device you *paid for. Before you agreed to that.

Not who you responded to but I am absolutely concerned about it. I use my Roku currently, but when it dies or I upgrade, there's no chance I'll continue to support that company and their bullshit. And the enshittification of greedy companies continues...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the elaboration. I was really dismayed because the Roku stick felt like the simple, safe option for so long compared to Amazon and Google. I’d pay extra for an Apple TV, but sometimes I actually like the stick format.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Totally, me too. ☹️ I think the issue is that, like smart TVs, these companies still have so, so much control over your device after you buy it, up to and including making it completely inoperable...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, it’s a double-edged sword to have things that can constantly update, for better or worse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I got mine for free as a promotional item 7 years ago. It was bottom of the line at the time, and I’m still using it today. It works great.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

What a stupid title. As if anybody's buying smart devices in the hope they'll be worth more someday.

My on topic advice: if you rely on your smart TV to get to your content, you're going to have a bad time. Get a small computer instead, and treat your "smart" TV as a monitor, nothing more.

I did get myself an nvidia shield last year, and after switching out the stock launcher for something that doesn't show ads (and better yet, launches straight into plex at boot), I couldn't be happier.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Where is everyone getting the ads? And why don't I have them? Not that I want them, but I own two Shields and neither has ads on the homescreen.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I still love my Shield, but there's no doubt it's getting long in the tooth, and there aren't any true replacements on the horizon. The Shield has also lost some features through time, like Nvidia's local game streaming, though Moonlight and Steam have helped fill that gap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I thought it shared the same chip as the switch. Maybe with the switch 2 a replacement will emerge.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Out of curiosity, which is the launcher you chose?

I froze the stock launcher at the last version without Ads. It works, but I guess some entries like "continue watching" could be bugging out now because it is out of date/never patched.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I am a fan of Flauncher

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you need a cache cleaner and other third party maintenance software constantly available on your video streaming box to make it nice to use… maybe you should have abandoned that platform years ago.

But the article is otherwise correct, the enshitification of platforms with ads and the removal of enthusiast features does suck.

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