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Across all industries, organizations are rapidly embracing generative AI. Among them, makers of home appliances like fridges and ovens. Generative AI in your oven? Why not? Ater all, AI has been creeping into our homes for years (think smart lightbulbs and Alexa) – but thanks to generative AI, these interactions will become even more human and more personal.

Imagine, for example, asking your washing machine whether it’s safe to wash a beloved item of clothing on a certain setting – literally, asking it out loud or via an app. Or you could say to your fridge, “Hey, when am I going to run out of milk?” and it’ll tell you. Integrating generative AI into everyday products could lead to a new era of smart appliances that are not only more adaptive to our needs but also more interactive and engaging.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

"open the fridge door, HAL"

"i'm sorry, Dave. i'm afraid i can't do that."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As if LLMs are in anyway appropriate for this.... We need to stop putting "AI" in everything and thinking that will somehow solve some problem

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

It solves the problem of "I invested billions of dollars in this tech and need to recoup in every possible way"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

The idea is that generative AI will enable Samsung products to get a better understanding of how consumers use the products – for example, an oven recognizing what is being cooked in it or a fridge recognizing what ingredients are inside. This could allow appliances to understand users’ needs and respond accordingly.

"Understand users' needs" being a euphemism for "spy on users' habits and sell that info to advertisers."

We've gone full circle: from having a manual for your new appliance, to having a LLM confidently make up some incorrect info about how to use your new appliance.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

No thanks. You want me to have a fucking conversation with my washing machine? How is that saving time for me? STFU and run my laundry on cold with low spin like I do every damn time.

Also, what happens next with the fridge? "You've had too much cheese today. Initiating cheese drawer lock." Fuck naw.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Smart bulbs and alexa count as Ai now?

And the example given. Slap a proprietary llm on every single device.

Just one good llm accessible on a phone or wearable will do thank you very much. All i need is a pdf manual for the device to upload to it and maybe an api for advanced features.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

These appliances are really just going to advertise products and discriminate about brands aren't they.

I honestly would be apoplectic if my washing machine told me to buy whatever soap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Insert your microchip tide pod into the machine or it won't start

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No it isn't.. not on my watch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A watch being probably one of the few devices where acces to an llm makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah, watches are for timekeeping, everything else may live in my phone so I can easily place it out of reach and ignore it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Thats fair, i am not a watch wearer i just liked the idea of sci-fi style wrist computer/tech-toolkit

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

I don't want my appliances to be engaging. I want to use them for their intended purpose, and then walk away from them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sounds cool but what's the catch? How is the consumer being used and/or screwed this time? I would to embrace new tech but nowadays, companies always seem to be planning some bs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sorry, your Wash Extraordinaire 5500-6280PL is only supported with 12 months of security updates!

Subscribe to Dishes+ and get one free month of AI-powered dish safety information, AI-powered delayed washing and the exclusive AI-powered Heavy wash and Pre-Wash settings!

(honestly I can also see the AI fad as a little less “extract more money” and more “make the investors think we’re doing something so they A. don’t lose their shit and B. think we’re high tech”)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Not to mine it isn't.

I refuse to own an appliance with any kind of networking.

Fuck that

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

I'm am seriously getting tired of having to buy, restore, and maintain antique devices/cars/electronics/etc just to get away from this cancerous "smart" tech shit that is infecting everything.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"When am I going to run out of milk?"

Just fucking open the fridge and check! Refrigerators and microwaves and shit don't need AI or connected anything.

The only use case I've ever seen for having a connected appliance is to be able to preheat the oven while you're out and about to get home.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In the 1980s, 8-bit home computers were sold with slogans like "Kids can use these to play games! And use educational software! And the ladies can use them to keep track of the freezer contents!"

...One of three ain't bad.

Decades later, we still open the fucking fridge to check what's in the fridge. Such is the nature of technological progress.

(Random old person memory: when I was a kid I actually had some "home economy" software for Spectravideo SV-318, found in some random pile of tapes. I only used it once because it was boring, obviously. My father used the recipe book and added "Poop Cake". That was enough recipes thank you very much.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It takes more time and effort to access and wait for the AI than it would to just open the damn fridge. Why make things more complicated than they need to be?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Selling subscriptions

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'm not personally interested in the tech, but I could see it being relevant if your refrigerator is connected to the internet and you are at the store. You could find out whether to buy more or not.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Because data collection

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Hard pass. Which ever vendor keeps making dumb appliances gets my money. I can live with basic "smart" appliances as well. The ones that connect to WiFi simply to tell when say the wash cycle is done by sending a message to your mobile. But I don't need no flipping AI crap in my house thank you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Ugh. I don’t want generative AI in any of my appliances. Here’s hoping everything lasts long enough that I can avoid this trash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Not if I can help it. If it's anything like "internet of things" it'll be a dumb gimmick relegated to some overpriced gadgets that I don't want anyway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

AI generated recipes

Every AI generated recipe I've seen has been fucked up. Either the ratios are wrong, they miss out or add ingredients, give incorrect temps and cook times, etc.

But I guess if you're terrible at cooking, you wouldn't notice.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Even human generated recipes are often "wrong", either actually wrong (like no, garlic doesn't go into a hot pan with onions that need sweating, they'll burn) or just wrong from a typo - like saying 1 tablespoon of a strong spice instead of 1 teaspoon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hell yeah, I want my appliances to misinterpret my commands and hallucinate functions they aren't capable of.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The GREAT Google assistant can't even call a contact on my list if it has a space in its name, I think I'll wait.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you really want that for some reason, that sounds like a job for one AI Smart Assistant. Doing it by having a different App and LLM implementation for every appliance seems stupid in so many ways.

Especially if they don't run them local, but essentially bundle the completely different service of a cloud hosted LLM with a fucking Tumble Dryer.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago

This is so fucking stupid it's almost painful.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I'd make an exception for that toaster though.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Jokes on you, I can't afford them

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

this format of headline needs to die.

“coming to your appliances” no the hell it’s not it’s coming to appliances on the market. which you can choose to buy, or install the app onto.

feels like fatalist manipulation tactics to subconsciously get you to accept that replacing appliances every two years is normal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Lol, right?

My microwave was made in 96. Washing machine in 2000.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I mean, it's Forbes. They probably assume you lease your appliances and have them replaced with the hot new model every 12 Months, or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I'm imagining it authoritatively telling me it's safe to wash even though it has no idea.

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