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What is the difference between cellular data being used on my phone and cellular data being used on my notebook? Data is data.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It’s to stop people from abusing unlimited data on their cellphone for all their WiFi devices at home. I know a person who did not have WiFi at home and only used their cellphone data. You are using more than a typical cellphone user and also you are cutting them from an opportunity to sell you a WiFi plan for your home. It’s annoying, but as I understand it, this is the reason.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The concept of abusing unlimited data makes no sense.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think companies call that "innovation" these days.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anything that makes more profits is "innovation."

If they could profit from rape, they'd do so and call it innovative.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you also have unlimited data, unless you hit a data cap, and then you hit a data rate limit, so technically your data is actually limited.

Can we legislate these fucks to just actual provide the bandwidth they claim to? I.E. a max cap of the max bandwidth * the max amount of time it can be available for in a billing period. Anything else is fraud IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Data is data in the same way water is water and electricity is electricity; nobody should have the power to dictate how you use it. I really wish we’d enshrine genuine net neutrality and shut this kind of nonsense down.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

128kbps is only mildly better then dial up lmao

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the funniest thing to me, is that realistically, the most useful thing you can do with 128k is torrent.

ISP's literally incentivize you to torrent lmao.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it's 60mbps right now. Not amazing, but also manageable. They could cut it down to 10 or something, which would still make downloading huge files or whatever a pain in the ass, but would also still allow you to do basic things like watch Netflix.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Some or all major mobile providers outright BAN hotspots in their ToS. However, they don't enforce the rule as it would be very unpopular.

And we still have pretty much the most expensive cellular data in the EU. The triopoly sucks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

TTLMaster was what I used to fix this a few years ago

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They can detect you using your phone as hotspot? Creepy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

My provider used MTU as a reference. I simply changed it in hotspot settings and was happy about that

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Sometimes it's based on the TTL of packets. TTL for hotspot clients will be one less than TTL for directly using data on the phone, since the phone is acting as a router, which adds an extra hop.

I think running a HTTP proxy or VPN server on the phone would mask it (since the connections would then be made by the phone directly), but I've never tried.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Very creepy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It's not hard to detect when the standard includes the phone indicating what it's doing to the carrier.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The phone reports it, yeah, it is creepy. Should be illegal to even have the knowledge to differentiate.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My ISP's a dick, but to my knowledge, unlimited has to mean unlimited around here. There where months where we had Problems with our fibre, so I did everything over a hotspot from my phone. Used 100's of GB's no one ever complained.

Get proper consumer protection laws, people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

unlimited has to mean unlimited around here.

This is the case in a lot of countries. In Australia, some ISPs got fined a lot of money (something like $300,000 I think?) because they advertised mobile phone plans as "unlimited" when in reality they slowed down the speed once you hit a limit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dunno if 300k is necessarily a lot for an ISP, but having rules and fining firms for non-compliance is pretty nice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The maximum ISPs could be fined for misleading/deceptive conduct (including things like this) was $1.1 million at the time, and I don't think they considered this bad enough to hand out the maximum fine. They bumped the maximum to $10 million at some point afterwards though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

it's not especially in the US, i've seen ISPs essentially break kneecaps forcing the consume to pay for the initial hook up, and then immediately rolling it out to every available house in the subdivision or neighborhood.

That shit should be illegal. If you do the math on how long it would take to profit from running it yourself it's only a few years given an ENTIRE neighborhood.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Get proper consumer protection laws, people.

California is trying its best, but I'm not sure the other US states will get onboard (except New York, and maybe Oregon and Washington state).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I mean, the state I live in right now just passed a bill to forbid officers of the state from using gender neutral, but technically grammatically incorrect language, while the ruling party is campaigning on not being a party of bans, while claiming their rivals are, so things aren't all that green here either.

I say take the wins you can get.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Get proper consumer protection laws, people.

And if you're homeless, just buy a house 🫶

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Bad comparison.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It wasn't supposed to be quite serious, but yeah, depending on where you live it's pretty much a lost cause, at least in the short-, or even mid-term.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It really is the same energy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Where are you?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

*Cries in American.*

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

At home i have a FWA over 5G (mobile) with 1Tb/month of traffic cap. That can be raised by 200Gb if needed. Cost 24€/month.

On mobile I have 150Gb capped 3G/4G/5G (whatever works) for 7.99€/month.

Not bad deals in comparison with what I read here.

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