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I've been off and on with the Fediverse for sometime now. It's a relatively friendly place full of fellow nerds, but with a few caveats....

My feeds seem very focused on hard information be it Gaza, tech companies doing bad things, or people pitchforking about the lastest big bad in digital privacy. This is all well and good, but it does get a bit tired after a while. Seeing the samey stuff post after post by academic types makes me more informed but also mentally draining.

Where's the fun? On Facebook and Instagram I see light fluffy popcorn type posts of people reminiscing over Nintendo games or reels of cockatiels being cockatiels. It's fun to scroll and interact. Here it feels like I'm in a classroom, and people, while friendly, do get quite hostile if you don't like Linux or Star Trek.

As a leftist I like it here because it's my bubble of people, but I'd like to see the fedi let its hair down a bit. It's okay to talk about stuff other than infosec, privacy guides, distros, and Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

The Fedi is what you make of it. Since there's no algorithm telling you who to follow or pushing posts to your feed, it's up to you to curate who you follow.

My feed is a mixture of shit posts, memes, cats and dogs, flowers, a little politics and a little tech. Chaos is why I'm here and who I follow reflects that. If your feed is full of info you don't care about, then you're following the wrong people.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The issue is that the majority of people on the Fediverse are "techies" with specific interests, which skews the spectrum of content quite a bit.

The Fediverse is in an awkward spot. It needs more people like you to keep technology communities from becoming Linux circlejerks, but at the same time those circlejerks are driving people like you out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don’t think there is really a conflict here though if we are all just nice to each other.

I think techy nerds are an absolutely fine foundation for a community so long as said techy nerds understand the inherent politics to being a techy nerd, having access to powerful computers and having the privilege of being in a highly skilled industry that pays fairly well (I know big generalization).

It is going to be awkward trying to expand the horizons to include a more diverse user base, but there is nothing wrong with awkwardness, just toxic behavior and gatekeeping.

Techy nerds just need to be willing to listen and evolve their understandings of community spaces. It seems like computer nerds are obsessed with visions of the internet before the masses of people and big corporations came onto it, but while that feeling is understandable it risks building a conceptual wall between people who are passionate about the capacity of computers to help people and the very people they want computers to help.

We can have a better more positive federation of communities than the internet has ever had if we decide right now to be more inclusive and radical in our solidarity with each other.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You’re a consumer. If you see something interesting post it to Fediverse so you can also be a contributor.

It sort of sounds like you want people to entertain you for free.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

If you look at my profile you'll see that's not the case. I've been contributing quite a bit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Fedi is the worst social media, except for all the others.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

The only thing I’m missing from the fediverse is a platform where animations and animators can connect and share their work with the possibility of having it discovered. Pixelfed still isnt in the app stores, peertube is not user friendly and has no official apps, mastodon doesnt have amy kind of upvoting or algorithm or ability to browse lemmy communities, lemmy doesnt have native video support or user follows.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I feel like you can have fun on fedi, but it all depends on the accounts/communities you follow. My Sharkey feed AND my Lemmy feed are both full of memes, fandom nonsense, and shitposts. If you only follow serious communities and people that talk about serious news, you'll have a serious time.

That said, one thing that I thought was unpleasant about the fediverse, and then realised was a feature rather than a bug is... The fact that you can run out of fediverse content. After 2 hours on Lemmy, I have functionally read all of Lemmy (or, well, all the communities I care to read), and maybe 1 more hour to join conversations I'd like to join.

Compared to the seemingly infinite content stream of The Other Sites (tm), this initially struck me as bad and weird, but then I realised... I actually prefer it this way. Doomscrolling a fedi site/app is actually not possible, and that has done wonders for my mental health.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The fact that you can run out of fediverse content. After 2 hours on Lemmy, I have functionally read all of Lemmy

I'll add that if you are running out of things to read you can instead post content you want to discuss. I've found that much of the time there are people waiting to jump in and comment, they just aren't in the habit of making posts. Which you didn't need to do on other sites because there were always enough people posting content. And it's less likely to leave you doom scrolling since it's a good opportunity to stop since comments won't come in immediately.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I have multiple accounts for seperate feeds. One seriouse one just communities of fun shit. Helps filter out the mindless doomerism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't know man. If you enjoy Facebook and Instagram more then just get there more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have been, and I guess it saddens me that I'm not enjoying myself as much here as I hoped.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Blind brand loyalty to something you don't enjoy is a waste of your precious time on earth

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

This has nothing to do with branding or simple preferences. It's about ethics. Some people are here not because they think it is the best alternative, but because it has the potential to be good.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For the moment, a lot of the fun on some of the federated platforms is behind several steps of effort that many of the corporate platforms have streamlined people out of being accustomed to taking, which is part of why they've kept their larger audiences. If a single click/tap is too much, that's enough to keep some people away from here.

It's not a matter of laziness either, it's more of, how much effort do I want to put into something that I'm using for casual entertainment? For many people it's minimal, but many federated platforms currently don't really work like that. They've arguably thrown the baby out with the bathwater in an overcorrection away from commercial algorithmic feeds since existing platforms have conditioned people to not have to put effort into finding silly/fun content.

The types of people to post won't be as inclined to post if they find their posts aren't reaching people because people mostly have to actively seek them out to engage with them at all. The types of people to more passively engage won't be able to as easily as those posts they might engage with may never reach them because they mostly have to actively seek them out. The end result of a lack of feedback and content for both types of people, despite there being a possibility and existence of both for them, results in this recurring sense of dissatisfaction.

Note that this is written largely with Mastodon in mind, and to a lesser degree Lemmy. In Lemmy/Kbin/Mbin/PieFed/Sublinks's cases I think they're potentially better off in terms of structure and offering different ways to sort one's feeds, but it's a matter of more people joining to round out communities and discussion more.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Incredibly well thought out reply. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

People on here and on mastodon are really pessimistic overall I've found. I still need to go to Twitter despite all the bots and engagement farming going on these days if I want to learn about new product releases or the newest possibilities of the newest technology that was released just yesterday.

I feel like the only news that get shared here and that actually get engagement are the bad ones about the war in Ukraine or in Palestine, or about anti-minority laws but we never see the good news like the fact that France added abortion as a constitutional right.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

A big factor is Lemmy was setup by tankies for tankies. So the constant spam of negative news about _______ western nation is on brand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I had to leave a Mastodon instance because it was about activism, gaza and politics the whole fucking day. So I perfectly understand what you feel. But I think there are ways and/or servers where everybody can feel comfortable. The mastodon server where I'm on right now, people talks about US stuff the whole day, and I'm very annoyed because of that because I don't give a damn shit about US. But the admin is cool, people support Ukraine, and I follow funny stuff too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Give it time. The porn on lemmy is growing exponentially, so the more varied content will start trickling in. My guess is roughly 3 more months before the memes really start to pick up

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I see this as a positive. Instead of being fed content to keep me engaged by an algorithm until I suddenly realize the day is almost over and I didn't really enjoy myself, I reach a point where I feel like I'm done for the day then I make plans, play a game, read, etc.

Now I read the news, fuck around on lemmy a bit, then actually get on with a "real" day.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah I don't really relate to the complaint because why does all your fun have to come from a single website? Does your online content have to be a one-stop shop? I just hop around Lemmy, Tildes, read sports news, maybe watch some cool videos on Youtube, etc etc. And when I'm bored with internet, I have other stuff IRL to do. Yeah I'm just not treating Lemmy like an endless scroll feed like Reddit or Instagram. I just check out what's new (I might pop in a few times a day), participate if I want, and move on.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Not a perfect solution by any means, but you can block communities you have no interest in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Youtube Shorts give me Brainrot but I can't stop watching them. I don't know what they did to the algorithm, but it perfectly captures my attention.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

They're the absolute best along with Insta reels.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

go out and plant a shrub

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, where's the fun? There's no posts about owls/bats/invertebrates/cats/dogs, no cooking or food posts, no pictures of people knitting socks, nobody asking general questions, no articles and pictures about space, no discussion around movies/tv/books, nobody ever posts about gaming of any kind, there's no memes to be found anywhere, no poems or short stories, no digital/traditional/AI art.

For some reason browsing news/politics/technology always seems to revolve around depressing and infuriating topics which is different from every other platform.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

That's why I only view subscribed communities, completely free of news/politics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your snark is the perfect embodiment of why people leave the fedi.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm not the one complaining about being bored and requesting that everyone else amuse me. All those things I listed are things that are regularly posted so what's the issue?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The issue is that you're being shitty.

Instead of linking to any of the many communities with the content you brought up, you sarcastically threw shade at the guy for either not already knowing about it or finding it not enough while you do.

It's elitism over one of the most fucking pitiful things you could ever be elitist about: familiarity with an online space.

He was bringing up a personal criticism of this space, not demanding it change to fit his needs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This wasn't an innocent request for interesting topics to follow, it was taking the stance that only serious topics get discussed here and it's boring:

I’d like to see the fedi let its hair down a bit. It’s okay to talk about stuff other than infosec, privacy guides, distros, and Gaza.

It wasn't a demand, but certainly requesting that we "let our hair down a bit" and that they "often get bored of the Fediverse."

This post could have been phrased as "What are some good non-political or news related communities?" And I'll gladly accept the label of being elitist if it's because I have minimal expectations that people explore for solutions before complaining and implying it's everyone else that needs to change. You can't browse all without easily bumping into the things I listed, and if you aren't aware there's different filtering options there's always a sidebar link instructing you how the platform works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh Christ you're insufferable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

A few suggestions

And this list (post the link in the search to get it on your instance)

https://lemmy.world/post/2216085

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

jUsT mAkE coNtEnT

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