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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think unfortunately the one theme we are missing and the one most important is solidarity.

In my experience, everyone is focussed on their community and furthering their cause. Rightly so in many cases.

One of the starkest I always felt was when talking about men, children and family courts. When I discuss this online, and even occasionally IRL with feminists. The conversation usually is one of acknowledgement of a problem followed by a cold "we'll support that when we get the things we need". It's a cold brutal unsympathetic view that doesn't help that feeling of isolation and hardens that "us vs them" division. Many feminists don't see that the division sewn is intentional, to stop us uniting and fighting for the rights of the working class. Be it trans rights, gay rights, women's rights, freedom from racial discrimination and men's rights. They are human rights. We have to stand shoulder to shoulder and make our voice heard in support. We also have to hope that folks from other groups will support us.

There is nothing more isolating than fighting in the corners of others and then when the time comes get a cold rejection when they come for you. It pushes folk to these liars and snake oil salesmen from the right. We need to remove that oxygen from the fire so those bigoted views can wither and die. Right now, we're losing that battle. DEI initiatives are being rolled back. Under the guise of fighting positive discrimination, they take more. The destroy awareness of bias, fair selection processes and opportunities for all.

I fear that the true strength of men fighting for fairness is you need to fight for others, extend the olive branch of friendship and then hope when we fight some will join us even if at times it feels like we will fight alone.

I've lost bigoted anti-trans friends who've swallowed the snake oil but to some, I'll always be seen as a part of the patriarchy, purely because of my gender. So will our sons. I hope they don't have the same experience of where they cross from innocent child to evil propagator of the patriarchy despite doing nothing wrong other than being born male and becoming an adult.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think people who ask generalized questions like, "Why does group X have irrational opinion Y about subject Z?" should instead engage with individuals about why they feel a certain way on a specific subject. I think they would find that people make up a full spectrum, opinions are more diverse than the right one and the ridiculous one, and people don't personify two extreme opposing memes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Then you don't know what capitalism is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or perhaps I just think differently than you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I do not think it's worth acknowledging a difference in opinion when the problem at its core is the difference in what those words mean. I don't think we have a difference in opinion. I think he does not know what I or the article mean. If someone could just find the words to tell him in a way he understands then I feel we would be surprised to see that no disagreement existed in the first place.

Now to find the words...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I think you may have better luck by adopting the Mr Roger's style of communication.

Telling someone they don't know what a word means probably is going to make them become defensive and bounce off instead of engaging with what you're saying, regardless of you being correct.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is this community about? I have read the sidebar, but I have not understand it...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Put simply, this is a place for criticism of the oppressive gendered expectations placed on men with a focus on intersectionality.