Dbzer0 is explicitly anti-copyright. It's in the sidebar and when you sign up.
It was a mod that did it, not an admin.
It was a community, not the entire site.
Jesus Christ, reading is a thing.
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I counted way more than two communities. That's often said to mean it's an instance ban.
In case people missed it (I will assume good faith here), “anti-AI troll” is another way of saying “this person is concerned about copyright”.
Jesus Christ, reading is a thing.
Ah, but reading comprehension sadly, is not.
A - That was a mod, not an admin. We didn't do shit.
B - What the hell are you even trying to do, anymore? like genuinely, i have no idea what you're trying to aim for.
edit: Also fuck copyright.
That was a mod, not an admin. We didn’t do shit.
A mod banned the individual from a dozen communities?
What the hell are you even trying to do, anymore? like genuinely, i have no idea what you’re trying to aim for.
It's just everyday commentary. I don't see where the confusion is. Everything I've said reflects something that concerns me.
edit: Also fuck copyright.
Using someone's work without their permission is exploitation. People have to spend time out of their day to make something creative, so coattail riding off of them takes away the incentive to make the art, which interferes with the artistic process. The ancient Romans even knew enough to have a concept of copyright. In the very least, people should be giving credit to the artists, as you would when you are gifted something.
dozen communities
It's literally two.
It’s just everyday commentary. I don’t see where the confusion is. Everything I’ve said reflects something that concerns me.
You're going to a drama community to stir up shit. There was nothing to be angry at, here.
Using someone’s work without their permission is exploitation. People have to spend time out of their day to make something creative, so coattail riding off of them takes away the incentive to make the art, which interferes with the artistic process. The ancient Romans even knew enough to have a concept of copyright. In the very least, people should be giving credit to the artists, as you would when you are gifted something.
We could blabber about this all day; this is the average leftist stance, and i'm not here to convert you. That is our instance's stance, and it will never change.
"Anti-AI troll" appears in more than just those two. That's shorthand for being concerned with copyright.
I double checked and you are still wrong. The only two communities are [email protected] and [email protected].
Oh. I read those all as different people. My bad.
Yeah, I thought I recognised OP from somewhere, and not in a good way.
I've never had any of the names described above.
I never said you did.
That being said: yes, you did.
If you had any doxxing power, you wouldn't be saying that.
~~DBZer0~~ Two communities in dBZer0 have begun banning people simply for ~~believing in~~ posting apologia for the concept of copyright.
Which, without further context, is still a bit of an overreach IMO, but nowhere near as extreme as your title suggests.
That's like banning people for following the law. That is banning people for following the law.
Lol fuck the law. I wipe my ass with the law. Banning people for following the law is turbo-based when the law is turbo garbage. Again, I don't think that simply apologizing for copyright warrants a ban without further context, but "I was banned for following the law" is a terrible argument and I had to speak out about it.
Are we forgetting a large portion of the fediverse's demographics consist of artists trying to make a damn living?
I was a music producer before going into engineering and I've always been against copyright lol. Copyright is a terrible minefield for doing work in my craft.
I counted way more than two communities.
In case people missed it (I will assume good faith here), "anti-AI troll" is another way of saying "this person is concerned about copyright".
You were against copyright? the thing that got you paid and prevented me from just ripping your stuff for free lol
Yes, I always was and I am against copyright, full stop. Copyright makes it harder for people to share my music, which is why I gave it away. I was working in music for the music, but the little money I did make was from producing for others. The only reason I'm not posting it here is because I don't want to dox myself.
IMO the most important sources of income for musicians are live performances and *merch". This is also what we were taught in recording school. I barely got paid for my digital downloads, although I did get a few people paying even when I released it for free.
I would unironically be thrilled to find out someone pirated my shit. At least then someone thought it was important enough to steal.
And also I'm on Bandcamp. It's super easy to just rip my stuff. It's not as if copyright was protecting me from anything 😆.
Copyright is more than just about the distribution. Copyright laws...
- Encourage credit to be given, when people often otherwise not give credit
- Prevent people from making money from something that is given away for free
- Prevent people from making fake versions of a book, like what happened to the fifth Harry Potter book
- Through all of this maintain incentive for artists to make art
- Encourage credit to be given, when people often otherwise not give credit
Even with copyright, musicians steal parts from each other all the time. Same with other art forms. Taking small parts of other people's art is normal and how art gets created. And there are social consequences even under capitalism to stealing an entire work without credit which are less formal than legal ones, but just as important for artists looking to keep doing art.
- Prevent people from making money from something that is given away for free
... this is not necessarily a bad thing. For example, I would happily buy a copy of Mutual Aid by Kropotkin even if Kropotkin or his descendants don't get compensated because someone put in the work to print the book.
- Prevent people from making fake versions of a book, like what happened to the fifth Harry Potter book
Again, there are social and legal consequences even under capitalism for selling people things under false pretenses.
- Through all of this maintain incentive for artists to make art
I 1000% do not want to consume art created primarily for profit. Profit-driven art is soulless corpo-trash. It takes up air that could be used by serious organic artists. Driving out profit-seeking behavior is strictly positive IMO. I want to drive out profit-seeking behavior everywhere forever, but art is a great place to start.
The artist doesn't need to be an artist-for-profit for it to apply. They just need to be someone who can say they spent all day on an art piece. The incentive for that goes away when it amounts to something that other people can enjoy without any boundaries.
well of course you dont care, your music apparently has no monetary value (which is fine, but why would you care about copyright when your music makes no money?)
No monetary value? Check this trick out:
If their music was commercially available, I'd pay double of what the most popular music is sold for on commercial platforms.
Edit: Haha what an ass [email protected] aka. known as r.EndTimes is, didn't like my comment so they downvoted my two unrelated comments about AI in a different post. Yeah, I can understand why lemm.ee is shutting down with the users being the main reason lol.
The law can take down the fediverse. Well, suit yourself then.
Also not sure how one can do apologia without believing in what they're saying.
Also not sure how one can do apologia without believing in what they're saying.
...you can just lie to people... like trolls...
But even if we assume for charitability's sake that apologia ==> believing in the cause, that does not automatically mean that apologia <== believing in the cause. Like they're not being banned for your beliefs. That user was banned for advocating for them. Which again, without context is still an overreach IMO, but this is absolutely not someone being banned for simply having the wrong opinion.
The law can take down the Fediverse
Can they? Sure they can take down individual servers, sure they can ~~make it impossible for money grubbers to make money here~~ make it hard to be profitable, but they can't take us all out.
When a government blocks a website in a country, they do so by registering the website's name on a list of websites held by the internet providers. They can do this to any website federated with a certain website they want blocked until they're all blocked. They have blocked email providers before, if you want a rough model of how this would work.
Okay but once you block all the existing Fediverse sites, some people spin up new sites and we can move over to those. And I think PieFed has an option to copy and move whole communities.
But also...I honestly think that the public at large needs to treat world governments and corporations as adversarial threats to be actively circumvented, even for completely benign things like applying for work or talking to people online. I.e. we need to socially normalize the mass usage of Tor and other anonymizing software because the people who least of all deserve power are the ones who control our internet.