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First of all, yeah, come at me. "Seinfeld" is only kinda-sorta funny, at best. Seinfeld himself is really not funny at all. His act is perpetually stuck between the oldschool, early 1950s-style, cigar-waving "hyuk-hyuk, get a load of all my jokes about women drivers" comedians and the post-Lenny Bruce era, where everything just boils down to telling boring "slice of life" stories with mildly clever exaggerations.

Seinfeld manages to pick and choose all the worst elements of both those eras and smush them together into a tremendously boring, un-funny standup act.

Annnnd that's what gets translated to the show. Boring, egotistical, overly-New-York-focused, pretentious nonsense.

Like I said, come at me about that. I know people disagree. I truly do not care what you want to say to me, about it. You're simply wrong. If you like his comedy or his show, you just have bad taste. I can't fix that. I can't change your mind. You can't change mine, either. But I'm objectively correct that he and his comedy material both suck.

But the whole "show about nothing" thing is what really boils my ass. You can argue that the show wasn't "about nothing," in the first place. And that's, like, whatever. There are valid arguments, there. In fact, I'd like to accept those arguments, then proceed under the assumption that the "show about nothing" concept really is a "show about nothing, and therefore about everything."

This is the important point: the thing I disagree with is this wretched and insulting notion that "Seinfeld" was somehow a PIONEERING television show, in this context of being about nothing and/or everything.

That's my problem. The claim that "Seinfeld" did any of that shit first. The implication is that all prior television, especially all prior comedies, were somehow locked into a "this is a show about a particular topic" mentality. And, like, "nobody had the GENIUS and the GUTS to make a freewheeling show about just, like, whatever topics came to the minds of the genius writers, and their groundbreaking stream-of-consciousness comedy process."

That's fucking horseshit. Horseshit of the highest fucking caliber.

I suppose these turd-brained fucksticks believe that "I Love Lucy" was about a Cuban guy who had a job as a bandleader and his wife, who sometimes tried to get into showbusiness. And "The Honeymooners" would be about a guy who has a job as a bus driver. And "Taxi" was a show about cab drivers, driving their cabs.

Of course, that's not what those shows were ACTUALLY ABOUT. They were basically shows about nothing, just as much as "Seinfeld" was. They were often about relatable problems in domestic life, they were sometimes about people trying zany get-rich-quick schemes, they were sometimes about the fears and perils and hopes that surround pregnancy and childbirth, they were often about the uncertainty and passion and sacrifice that people put themselves through, for their budding careers, or their workaday jobs. And they were about a million other things that all fit the "show about nothing" mold BETTER than "Seinfeld" ever did.

I say they did it better, because they weren't exclusively about sad, angry, borderline-psychopathic reprobates, who seem to have no goals or aspirations, beyond smirking and talking shit about people behind their backs, swilling coffee, and occasionally trying to get laid. They were shitty people, with shitty attitudes. I know that's part of the joke...but it wears thin very quickly, and my point is that other shows did a similar "it's a show about nothing...but really everything" theme, but their casts of characters WEREN'T entirely populated by malignant, fundamentally worthless narcissists.

Basically, I implore people to stop worshipping that fucking show, as if it was some kind of groundbreaking, high art. There were way better classic comedy shows than that piece of shit, from its own era and the TV eras before it.

Oh, and before you point out that I accused Seinfeld of being overly New York focused, but also used three other shows set in New York as counterexamples, I realized that just now.

And I don't give a shit. I can keep going. "Green Acres" wasn't really about farming. "The Bob Newhart Show" wasn't really about psychiatry, "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" wasn't really about TV production, and "WKRP in Cincinnati" wasn't really about radio production.

The shows about nothing and everything are THE MAJORITY of all the shows. Certainly, all the good ones. It's harder for me to think of reversed examples, where the show is just what it was supposed to be "about."

Like, yeah, "Flipper" really was about a fucking dolphin, and "The Flying Nun" really was about a flying fucking nun. And those shows fucking sucked.

I think I can consider my point thoroughly made.

Now, all you assholes can start typing abuse at me, for daring to dislike your idol. I won't be reading that shit. Not sorry.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

"The pitch for the show, the real pitch, when Larry and I went to NBC in 1988, was we want to show how a comedian gets his material. The show about nothing was just a joke in an episode many years later."

-Jerry Seinfeld

The "show about nothing" is a joke meme taken from an episode. So there's no point in ranting about something that never existed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The jerk store called...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Haven't got a clue what most of the series you mentioned are and don't know the first thing about seinfeld, but I appreciate the energy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks. I suppose I'll need to be keeping my energy up, considering I am now apparently as old as dirt. XD

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Oh dear no I'm not too young I'm just not American :'D haha

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Dude just pop some bars. You're clearly lapsing. It's not that serious.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

You're just objectively wrong throughout. Not liking it, sure. You do you boo.

It was never a show about nothing. It was a 90s sitcom. It had an A plot and a B plot. Had arching character stories that ran season to season that were directly related to how shows didn't drop all at once but once a week for a period of time then NOTHING as a cliff hanger for a year. So a drastic change or a big season finale actually meant something because there was most of the year someone would talk about it.

As to you just not liking it, I can see that. Especially if you're younger. When I was younger I hated it. Absolutely not funny. When you are their age, all that crap that happens to them, happens to you. Obviously they are the worst versions of people possible which is the point. And yes that too is pioneering, because you were always supposed to support the characters. Give it a decade, and rewatch. You may chuckle. Or not. Doesn't matter.

Seinfeld himself I don't find funny. And he's a terrible actor (self described). Jason Alexander is a god. Dreyfus is intolerable. I can't stand anything she's in, except Seinfeld where I hate her but watch her. But even with that, it's a good standard 90s comedic sitcom. Formulaic and somewhat unpredictable the first time. Obscenely quotable today.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I lived in San Francisco in the 90s. I was in my 20s. I didn’t own a TV. Often, on Thursday nights, I’d go over to a friend’s house and watch TV to see Seinfeld. It was the only comedy show that I can recall worth watching. We always laughed at it. Maybe because we could relate to the characters and situations, I don’t know; I don’t want to analyze it. Never saw the standup comic himself even though I was going to standup comedy back then. Never bothered with the meta stuff about the show like criticism and shit; ain’t got time for that. If anyone brings up the show now then I will recall it fondly. That is all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

100% agree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So what is the sitcom from that era which should be getting more credit in your opinion?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

From that era, precisely? None. And that's not a problem for my argument, here.

My whole point is that "Seinfeld" DIDN'T innovate, in the way people claim it did. Nobody else was really innovating at that time, either, but that's a separate question. There were plenty of sitcoms that I liked, in that era. Some more than others. Most were objectively kinda crummy, for various reasons. But they had all been operating under the rules of light-hearted, episodic (as opposed to serialized) depictions of some kind of domestic or professional situation. But then, really, the episodes could be about nothing/anything/everything.

Like I mentioned in my post, "I Love Lucy" wasn't really about the arc of Ricky's career as a bandleader turned actor. It was about whatever whacko shit that the writers wanted to do, with that basic premise as a backdrop. That comedy paradigm was established in the 1950s and didn't change much for the next half-century, with plenty of modern sitcoms still following it, without any kind of revolutionary alterations, whatsoever.

"Seinfeld," of course, is included in that list of comedies that didn't actually do anything to shake up that fundamental formula. And that's fine. It's a good formula. It works. It doesn't need to be changed. But that does mean that people occasionally have to be corrected, when they get too laudatory about their favorite things, and start crediting them with accomplishments they actually never achieved.

It's like those Taylor Swift superfans who have never listened to any other music, literally know nothing about music itself, but who worship Ms. Swift to an unreasonable degree. I heard something a couple months ago about a woman having to explain to her friend that Taylor Swift did not invent the concept of a "bridge" in a song. Bridges have already been a thing. It's not a knock against Taylor that she didn't invent it. But the superfan was, at least initially, staunchly unwilling to accept that fact, and tried to insist that Taylor MUST have invented it.

Basically, I may have been too harsh on "Seinfeld," when I really just don't like people giving credit, where it isn't due.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

While I agree that Seinfeld is generally unfunny and definitely overrated, Op is such a gaping asshole about it, I kinda want to rethink my opinion because of them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

OP's username must be sarcastic lol

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, even the stupid people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Doesn’t Dennis Leary have a bit about this phrase? “Assholes” being plural & “one” being singular? The phrase bothered him for some reason

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Upvoted for actually unpopular opinion.

But also YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT.

(username does not check out though)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago

love you op!!!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I feel like you guys dunk on Seinfeld too much. I've even rewatched it because I enjoyed it so much. Though it came to me as a surprise when someone on lemmy pointed out that Jerry is a pedophile.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You have the distinction of being the first person on Lemmy I’m blocking, not because you said something bigoted or objectively cruel, but because based on that essay and your subsequent comments I simply think you and I have such drastically different tastes on things that I just don’t care to hear your opinions on anything else. Genuinely wishing you good luck in your future

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Me too! Seinfeld is just.. bland and a nothing. Curb, however, is rather good.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

You really invested time into this Seinfeld thing. I just started watching it for my first time this year. It's amusing. That's all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

I respect the unpopular opinion, but disrespect the wrong / inconsistent stuff for a lot of it...

For example with the "show about nothing", its an in universe joke about a TV show George thought up

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree that it is generally overrated. However, I have not seen the other shows and have never heard of most of them. I think the same would be true for most people outside USA and UK. Maybe that’s why it was a pioneer? Not that it invented it, but made it big?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Now, that's an interesting line of inquiry. Since the show did self-reference that whole thing, with the "show about nothing," that is what made superfans begin crediting it with inventing the concept, even though it didn't...but I never really thought about how many people had probably never even thought about any of this, prior to "Seinfeld" bringing it up, in their minds.

I think I did make an error. Note, first of all, that I did know about the "it's a show about nothing" concept being in the show itself. I'm not mistaken about my premise, because of that. I'm deliberately reiterating this point, because so many people in these comments seem to think I got that wrong, or didn't know about it.

Anyway, I know the show had that arc. But it was intended to be self-referential, and people who really love the show will point to that whole thing and say "GENIUS! THIS IS A SHOW ABOUT NOTHING, AND IT EVEN HAS A SHOW ABOUT NOTHING INSIDE OF IT!"

But the thing is, I think I did still make an error. I made the assumption that those people were doing that shit in bad faith. At the very least, it's unfair of me to make that assumption. Seeing that meta-humor in "Seinfeld" may have provoked them to start thinking about the meta-concepts of media and writing and human culture, for the very first time.

Just because I was already familiar with those concepts the first time I saw any of "Seinfeld" doesn't mean everyone was. I have no evidence to suggest that people were being willfully ignorant, and instead I may be bashing on people who are having completely honest reactions to a concept they'd really never thought about.

That shouldn't be something I rant and shake my fist about.

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