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Setting aside the usual arguments on the anti- and pro-AI art debate and the nature of creativity itself, perhaps the negative reaction that the Redditor encountered is part of a sea change in opinion among many people that think corporate AI platforms are exploitive and extractive in nature because their datasets rely on copyrighted material without the original artists' permission. And that's without getting into AI's negative drag on the environment.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (33 children)

Typically, I don't find anything offensive about the images ai creates. What I do take issue with is the outlandish claims of artistic ownership because they strung some words together.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (4 children)

AI art is like the speech synthesiser that came with Amiga’s Workbench. Amusing for yourself to make it say swears, but of no interest to anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Ventrilo tts

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Honestly, just pass a law saying you're not allowed to use a model that was trained using non public domain material.

Voila, AI can be permitted without robbing existing artists and artists still have a monopoly on new material.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Um, good luck trying to get that law passed.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"I feel like a lot of the anti-AI people just... want there to be less beautiful art in the world," one Redditor replied in the same thread.

The beauty of, what, mutations caused by a nuclear accident?

[–] [email protected] 88 points 7 months ago (3 children)

This was the craziest quote to me:

"I hope someday being anti-AI is seen as ableist," another mused.

WHAT.

Just…FUCKIN WHAT.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah like also, if you're doing art for validation -- you're not doing art.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 7 months ago

These people just want to be able to sell their AI art alongside other artists, because they "spent 6 hours to get only 5 images" is obviously on par with someone who has spent years honing their skills and craft the create art on a canvas or other blank medium.

Some AI art is pretty interesting, but let's not equate it being the same as someone with actual creative talent.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (6 children)

People talk about A.I. art threatening artist jobs but everything I’ve seen created by A.I. tools is the most absolute dogshit art ever made, counting the stuff they found in Saddam Hussein’s mansions.

So, I would think the theft of IP for training models is the larger objection. No one thinks a Balder’s Gate 3 fan was gonna commission an artist to make a drawing for them. They’re pissed their work was used without permission.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (15 children)

You should check out this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF, and this one by Katherine Klosek, the director of information policy and federal relations at the Association of Research Libraries.

Using things "without permission" forms the bedrock on which artistic expression and free speech as a whole are built upon. I am glad to see that the law aligns with these principles and protects our ability to engage openly and without fear of reprisal, which is crucial for fostering a healthy society.

I find myself at odds with the polarized argumentation about AI. If you don't like it, that's understandable, but don't make it so that if someone uses AI, they have to defend themselves from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. Those accusations are often times incorrect or made without substantial evidence.

I'm open to that conversation, as long as we can keep it respectful and productive. Drop a reply if you want, it's way better than unexplained downvoting.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's not replacing artists who make beautiful art, it's going to replace artists who work for a living. Doesn't matter if the quality is bad when it's costs nothing.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The problem is artists often make their actual living doing basic boiler plate stuff that gets forgotten quickly.

In graphics it's Company logos, advertising, basic graphics for businesses.

In writing it's copy for websites, it's short articles, it's basic stuff.

Very few artists want to do these things, they want to create the original work that might not make money at all. That work potentially being a winning lottery ticket but most often being an act of expressing themselves that doesn't turn into a payday.

Unfortunately AI is taking work away from artists. It can't seem to make very good art yet but it can prevent artists who could make good art getting to the point of making it.

It's starving out the top end of the creative market by limiting the easy work artists could previously rely on to pay the bills whilst working on the big ideas.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Have you just woken up from a year long coma? AI can create stunning pictures now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

stunning but uncreative af.

that still depends on the operator.

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