It's way better than what I expected for a preliminary tbh.
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It isn't genocide, it's just sparkling human atrocity.
Which are at least 90% the fault of Hamas.
"Why did you make me do this?" -Omniman (Israel) to Invincible (Gaza)
Same energy.
If invincible was throwing women and children at omniman instead of him crushing them in the subway your comparison would somewhat stick.
Gaza didn't do that. Hamas did that. And now Gaza is being bombed to smithereens. My comparison sticks. "Why did you make me do this" is such a common thing to hear from narcissists who take no responsibility for their own actions. The IDF do not need to respond to violence with more violence, and nobody is making them. The appropriate and honorable reaction would be to set up the rigorous spy network they should have had from the get-go, and capture and prosecute the actual people of Hamas who assaulted them, not bomb the everloving shit out of Gaza.
What incentive would they have to hold back? The propaganda war was pretty much lost for Isreal after multiple disinformation stories were uncritically amplified by western media. The people who hate them won't change their mind if they stop. Hamas clearly has to go and what you're describing might make for a good spy novel but would be a shitty military tactic. What they are doing isn't pretty but probably necessary and easily justified.
You make two pretty bad assertions here bud. First, there's no incentive. That's the point. It's kind of a big part of self-governing. Like when somebody puts a grocery cart away instead of leaving it in the parking lot, except where this example is ultimately of no consequence, not killing innocent people is the baseline.
Second, military tactic my ass. I'm not talking about military tactics, I'm talking about ways to punish Hamas. There's a lot of ways to do it, and this GENOCIDE is THE wrong way to do it.
Journey before destination, be better. End of.
This is the whitest take I ever read in my entire life and it shows that you know nothing about warfare whatsoever. There's a tangible military goal: Dismantling Hamas. They want to keep fighting and hide behind meat shields which makes them exceptional cowards, even for terrorists. So yeah, stop guzzling the cum of people who would gladly slice your throat for being an infidel. Or don't I don't care and neither does Israel.
The answer to someone using a meat shield is never to just shoot through it. That's my whole point. The IDF is in the wrong.
You can defend the usage of human shields if you want but international law disagrees with your perspective. Israel is still working with caution, if they shot through every meat shield the death toll would be at least one order of magnitude higher.
Brother are you stupid? I'm not defending the use of human hostages, nor human shields. Here, maybe I have to spell this out for you. Just because I think the IDF is doing a bad thing, does not mean I think Hamas is doing a good thing. I think both sides are doing pretty deplorable things, actually. I'm critical of the IDF because they're funded and operated by a sovereign nation, and therefore should be held to high standards. Is that bite size enough for you, or do I need to cut the sentences into smaller chunks?
Israel issuing a warning that they're going to bomb a location does not mean that they aren't going to hit Innocents. That's not careful.
I'm going to use a hypothetical here, let me know if that's too advanced for you.
Say Hamas takes a hostage, right, and hides in a hospital. Israel says they're going to bomb the hospital, so all Innocents should leave. Do you actually think Hamas would just let the hostage go? If the IDF then bombs that hospital, then the hostage dies, right?
You clearly consumed all of the stupid juice lmao. You're basically giving hamas a blank check on using human shields if you say that no amount of civilian casualties due to human shields are acceptable. You're pretty much asking them to shield their fighters, ammo and fuel with as many civilians as they possibly can. Almost sounds like you are the one who wants them killed so you can yell about how bad Israel is.
Let me spell it out again: If you use civilian infrastructure to conduct military operations you are painting a target sign on them since they become legitimate military targets. Israel still has to do strike assessments but if they figure out it's worth it the can strike it.
Imagine you had a policy that cops can never shoot puppies and some psycho wraps himself in a dozen of them and goes to shoot up an elementary school. Would you want someone to pull the trigger and potentially get some of the puppies killed or would you want them to wait until he runs out of ammo or maybe just negotiate with the psycho and convince him to just kill half of the children or something?
To address your scenario: Hospitals have a somewhat higher protection class than most other civilian assets. As opposed to the opinion of random shitters on the internet, they won't just bomb anything without doing a strike assessment first. This encompasses things like - How will engaging this target advance our goal of taking out hamas? Will an attack take out high value targets or assets? How many civilians and friendly soldiers are likely to die if we take a specific action?
Running through this analysis, using a large diameter bomb on a hospital is off the table from the get go. Hamas has already shown that they gladly get their own civilians killed, since dead civilians are bad for Isreals international standing. Instead they may opt to storm it with infantry and clear it this way. The issue is, this could still get lots of civilians killed and also their own soilders. Since the IDF are pretty limited on people they won't take engagements where they can expect to get like 30% of the people they send in killed or wounded. They may go for a third option and use something like those hellfire missiles. This may or may not work, will likely still get civilians killed and maybe not take out the people they want to. In that scenario they'd likely opt to not engage the target and wait for a better opportunity.
If you can't see how fucked up it is for someone to use hostages and first and foremost their own people as a bargaining chip to perform military actions against another country then I can't help you. Be better. Don't simp for terrorists.
LMAO I've been living in your head rent free all week huh? I've already made my point, you are not worth my time any longer. Goodbye.
If you consider me replying after a week or so because I didn't even read your message until now "rent free" then I guess your brain is just a bit broken. Makes sense considering your opinion. Farewell, there's no fun in dunking on people with mental deficiencies anyways.
Given the history of the land and amount of casualties, I'd be generous to Israel to even attribute 50% of the fault to Hamas, but I'd like to hear why you believe they are at fault for 90% of it? Got no stakes here outside of the humanitarian crisis, just want to understand better.
The issue is beyond complex to capture in a single comment.
But the big issue no one will look past (nor should they) is how Israel would fare without US support and iron dome. Or how cease fire resulted in deaths.
Two can be true, Israel government is evil and so is Hamas. But at the same time, Israeli people shouldn't be pushed under the rug like they don't matter. It's hypocrisy to only back Palestine and ignore what Israeli people go through. I don't think I would be very happy knowing a missile can land on my head at any moment or myself or my family could be murdered/raped/captured any day... Then to add to it, some random redditor will call it "bullshit" because I can't prove my loved ones are missing.
A comment that forever will haunt me, believe all rape victims unless they're Jewish. It's beyond fucked how people picked sides. It's not a contest of who has it worse. Both populations live in fear and would be wiped out if the opposite government has its way. It's just happen Israel is going on a bigger rampage and will use any provocation to keep it up.
How do you solve it? I don't know. As I said, it's fucked but I'm sick and tired of people painting it black and white because they read a smart looking comment on reddit/twitter/seen stupid uneducated twat make political comments on youtube.
Without hamas doing hamas shit, the global political sphere would have to acknowledge the reality. But both sides are invested into the slaughter continuing.
They are the ones benefitting from civilian casualties as opposed to Israel. They are the ones shooting from civilian infrastructure and holding their own women and children hostage. So as far as I'm concerned Hamas is getting them killed, either deliberately or because they simply don't care.
I'm fucking begging to learn that
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The UN or ICC or whoever are not the world police.
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They haven't made and actual decision on the case yet, so what they can do at this stage is very limited.
The UN or ICC or whoever are not the world police.
They are supposed to be, though, and would be if the Big 5 on the security council would let them.
what they can do at this stage is very limited.
Especially since they're hamstrung by the dogged US government insistence that everyone's eyes and ears have been lying about Israel for the past 75 years.
Always call it for what it is.
