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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I can’t speak for everyone, but when I wear a cross it’s in reference to Matthew 16:24

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?”

To me the cross is symbolic of finding the courage to live our lives motivated by a radical love in order to overcome the fear of death and pain.

It’s like Goku once said while fighting to save the world “this is the power to go further beyond”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's definitely the intended meaning of wearing a cross, and a really powerful and important scripture.

It's worth remembering though that 'cross' isn't the word that Jesus said here but the Greek word recorded is stau·rosʹ which means execution or torture stake and the cross wasn't a contemporary use for impailment by the Romans, primarily because a stake was a much more painful death than a cross.

The cross was a pagan idol for many centuries before Jesus death and was later rolled into the account of Jesus' death by the later Christian Church to help with the conversion of those pagans.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Do you have any sources on the claim that it wasn't a cross and was changed later for pagans? The scripture references "coming down" from the cross which to me would imply the one we typically think of.

Also from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement,

"I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made differently by different [fabricators]; some individuals suspended their victims with heads inverted toward the ground; some drove a stake (stipes) through their excretory organs/genitals; others stretched out their [victims'] arms on a patibulum [cross bar]; I see racks, I see lashes ... "

Sounds like Seneca, a figure from exactly this time period confirms the type of cross we think of.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I have always thought that choosing the cross as the universal symbol of Christianity is the most twisted and sad thing in the world.

That is why I prefer the Ichthys. It represents Jesus's high point, when he performed a miracle for the all the people. For me, it's better to remember people at their best than at their worst.

minimalist symbol of two intersecting arcs resembling the profile of a fish

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Referenced by my favorite Philip K Dick novel VALIS, the symbol of early Christianity: Fish cannot carry guns.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not christian, but I would assume the cross is a reminder of Jesus dying for our sins.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You would be correct. My church growing up did NOT use crosses, instead remembering his life and not his death. That always made more sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not hating on your church or anything, but isn't his death the whole point? Like if he didn't die in that manner and then theoretically come back, he'd just be some guy. There'd be no need for the religion. I feel like his death makes the whole thing come full circle. It's not just about being good, it's about then being willing to sacrifice for the good of everyone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the point was living by his teachings and remembering his sacrifice, but without glorifying or worshiping the object of his torture and death.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, that makes sense. Do you mind me asking what kind of church you went to? Was it nondenominational or did it have a denomination?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

The Roman/Western imperialist mind can only worship pain and suffering?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

“You think if Jesus comes back he ever wants to see another fucking cross? Thats probably why he hasn’t come back yet. ‘Nope, they’re still wearing crosses.’ That’s like walking up to Jacky Onassis wearing a rifle on your lapel. ‘Just thinking about John, Jacky.’” finger guns

Bill Hicks

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNfvz-nyO4

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ironically, the cross is a symbol of unjust suffering. Something which the more prominent wearers like to inflict on others.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Everything about Christianity is basically backwards from what Jesus actually fucking said.

No idolatry is the first commandment for a reason. People that worship the idol of the cross have already failed to learn what the religion was to teach.

Basically, look at Republicans. They absolutely worship the flag yet at the same time defile everything the country supposedly stands for.

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