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I installed NetGuard about a month ago and blocked all internet to apps, unless they're on a whitelist. No notifications from this particular system app (that can't be disabled) until recently when it started making internet connection requests to google servers. Does anyone know when this became a thing?

Edit 2: I bought my Pixel 6 phone outright, directly from Google's Australian store. I have no creditors.

Were the courts not enough control for creditors? Since when are they allowed to lock you out of your purchased property without a court order?

I don't even live in the US, so what the actual fuck?

Edit 1: You can check it's installed (~~stock~~ Pixel 6 android 14) Settings > Apps > All Apps > three dot menu, Show system > search "DeviceLockController".

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

damn and no one at google saw this as dystopian?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

still allows access to settings

Oh thank goodness

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I know this is a privacy community, but I'm not sure I'm onboard with the outrage on this particular one. If you rent/lease or go on a payment plan for the device you're using, then it isn't yours, it belongs to the entity you borrowed it from.

If I don't make car payments, the bank can repossess my ride. If I dont pay my mortgage or rent, I can be evicted by my landlord or bank.

If I don't make my phone payment, the company should have recourse to prevent me from using their device.

This could open up the ability for bad actors to disable my device, and I agree that's a horrible prospect. But the idea of a legitimate creditor using this feature to reclaim their property is not something I find shocking.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (5 children)

All your points are sound. The issue that I have with this is that remote disable functionality is not necessary to achieve any of these aims. Before they were connected to the internet, people were still able to rent/lease autos and the world managed to survive just fine. There were other ways for lenders to get remunerated for breaking lease terms - they could issue an additional charge, get a court order for repossession, etc. Remote disable was never needed or warranted.

So let's start by considering the due process here. Before, there was some sort of process involved in the repossession act. With remote disable however, the lender can act as judge, jury and executioner so to speak - that party can unilaterally disable the device with no oversight. And if the lender is in the wrong, there is likely no recourse. Another potential issue here is that the lender can change the terms at any time - it can arbitrarily decide that it doesn't like what you're doing with the device, decide you're in breach, and hit that remote kill switch. A lot of these things could technically happen before too, but the barriers have been dramatically lowered now.

On top of this, there are great privacy concerns as well. What kinds of additional information does the lender have? What right do they have to things like our location, our habits, when we use it, and all of the other personal details that they can infer from programs like this?

There are probably lots of other issues here, but another part of the problem is that we can't even start to imagine what kinds of nefarious behaviors they can execute with this new information and power. We are well into the age where our devices are becoming our enemies instead of our advocates. I shudder to think what the world would look like 20 years from now if this kind of behavior isn't stopped.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Oh nono no, the world is much worse than that:

  • If you make all your car payments on time except one, the bank can still repossess your car.

  • If you pay your mortgage or rent on time every time except once, the bank can initiate the process of eviction.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not an unreasonable thought, but my question is what is the process to disable? In your examples, there are legal steps/requirements to repossess those assets.

In this case I can't imagine the process is longer than "press the brick button and extort money"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is it extortion if it's contractually obliged?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

¯_(ツ)_/¯ eye of the beholder I suppose

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

That’s not how it works, at least in Spain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I agree completely, but it's an odd way to go about repossession.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

And there's the rub. Sure, it's a financed phone. It doesn't follow that we have to suspend judgment on the means they resort to, to enforce their terms.

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