If anyone aside from white upper class males vote for trump, they're certifiably a moron.
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People shouldn't vote for genocide. If your choice is between Hitler and Satan it's ok to not vote, or heaven forbid, support a third party.
I'm sure the people whose lives are destroyed by Republican fuckery will appreciate your principled stance.
Sorry dude, my line is genocide. Not sure what yours is.
Every election year I hear about this magical 3rd party that will save us from our shit choices. The only thing a third party would do is split democratic voters, leading to even more republican wins. Despite what left leaning media bubbles say, Republicans are not unhappy. They don't want a 3rd party for themselves and they will keep voting R until the grim reaper rips them from this plane of existence.
Demonstrably false. Check the rfk polls.
Abstention and 3rd party choices are indirect support for the candidate you'd least prefer.
Both choices might be a shit sandwich, but the US system just doesn't support not eating one, so it might as well be the one you'd rather than the alternative.
A popular sentiment, but not among historians.
Third party voting in US politics has resulted in numerous labor and civil rights. women's suffrage, social security, 8 hour workday, etc.
Just another time when academia conflicts with your typical op-ed. A third party vote is probably the most powerful one you can make.
In the 2024 presidential race, if anyone who would otherwise vote for Biden, from any state that is not 100% safe, chooses not to over basically any issue(s), they improve the odds of an R, with a worse stance on that issue, winning the election. Ideology can take a long walk off a short pier when sobering reality comes knocking.
Your assumptions are doing a lot of work here.
It's an entirely different strategy:
A) I'll vote for you no matter what you do!
Versus
B) You must earn my vote.
The progressive policies I outlined above became law because the two major parties grew tired of losing close races, and decided to earn some third party votes.
"Earn my vote" is the bullshit mentality that led to Trump being president. Fuck all of that. R's are batshit, and if someone doesn't commit a vote that can matter against them, that person's part of the problem when R's win.
There is literally NO issue where someone who would normally vote for Biden has a better option under any realistic R candidate.
Rather than shaming people into eating shit, perhaps you could shame Biden into supporting a policy that has popular support in swing states.
Keep in mind that most low income people were materially better off under Trump, whose pandemic policies resulted in the lowest childhood poverty rate since the 90s. (These welfare policies were cancelled or expired under Biden.) So a Biden preference, if it exists, may not be as strong as you assume.
Muslims refusing to vote for Biden is like taking themselves hostage. You know if Trump gets elected he will try to deport them, inspire more hate crimes against them, and would be way worse for Palestinians.
Biden isn't the problem. The problem is that both parties support Israel.
The problem is the two-party system and that we don't have ranked choice voting. The DNC would rather a Republican win than to see an inspiring progressive win. People voted for Biden in 2020 because it was either him or Trump, but I believe a lot of people expected the DNC to take note and make changes to ensure their voices were heard. Instead, it seems like the DNC took that as a message that Biden is well liked and that they didn't even need another candidate. If Trump gets elected in 2024, it will be the DNC's fault and the DNC's fault alone. Don't go blaming the progressives, Muslims, or whoever else.
No, they don't. Being Muslim does not make a Person stupid. They can be stupid, certainly, but it isn't because they are Muslim that they must face their stupidity.
This article says that a higher percentage of Muslims voted for Trump in 2020 than did in 2016. Is it really far fetched to think that percentage could continue to rise?
It's because people see Trump as a chance to make America a theocracy... and well, both Christians and Muslims have traditionally been keen on theocracies for some reason.
Maybe. I don't think Muslims are keen for a Christian theocracy especially a white Christian ethno-theocracy
My opinion is people wishing for theocracies are merely using religion as an excuse for control. Kind-hearted religious people adapt their religious views. Mean-spirited ones hide behind their religion as an excuse to do bad things.
From the article:
In a memo released Thursday, Biden campaign manager Julie Chávez Rodriguez said her team feels “well-prepared to defeat whoever emerges from the extreme MAGA Republicans’ primary field,” but “this will be a very close general election.”
Biden won 64 percent of the Muslim vote in 2020, and Trump won 35 percent, according to exit polling by The Associated Press.
New polling this week showed Biden’s support among Arab American voters plummeting to just 17 percent, down 42 percentage points compared to 2020. The Arab American Institute, which conducted the poll, said it marks the first time in 26 years of polling Arab Americans that the majority did not claim to prefer the Democratic Party.
Between this recurring news and the fact that it's being taken seriously it feels like team Biden is going to have to go further than an Islamophobia policy implementation. These numbers can likely lose him Michigan as it stands, and ignoring the Midwest has never worked out to a candidates (and all of our) detriment in the recent past. We need concise action to support these communities if we want to keep Michigan blue.
We need another candidate aside from Biden, even if it is to build momentum into the general election.
Because turnp has had a stellar relationship with minorities in the past.
I mean, there isn't much difference between neoconservative Christian nationalism and other theocratic states.
No they don’t.
Same as everyone else, they can choose between a moderate and a fascist.
Everyone has issues they don’t want moderation on. That doesn’t mean they are stupid enough to back a person who explicitly says they want to ban them.
The moderate in question being Genocide Joe? The bigger problem to me seems to be why the DNC is incapable of producing an actual viable candidate.
Edit: you can downvote to your hearts content, as long as you eventually come to the realization that we're headed nowhere nice regardless of how much we "vote blue no matter who". The GOP has made their position clear beyond a doubt. The DNC has followed that up by crippling Bernie for having hints of socialism to him when he actually had a good shot of winning, leading us to Trump. Biden was never wanted by anyone, even before this went down. He won solely on the basis of not being Trump, and is currently being hated for his own stances. And still we all know the DNC won't put up another candidate in 2024. Why? Are they not worried about Trump? Do they give a shit about the state of the country at all beyond maybe winning votes and securing donors? And even then the votes apparently matter less than the donors.
When you've got one party openly calling for fascism and the other party barely pulling the breaks on it, it doesn't take a lot to realize where you'll probably end up.
You said it better than I could. I tried. Biden didn't win because people like him. If they can't put forward another inspiring candidate soon, then there is a good chance Trump will get re-elected. I don't think the DNC even cares as long as it isn't a progressive candidate. Then in 4 more years they can say, well if you don't vote for our candidate you'll get worse. Rinse & repeat.
Exactly. It's just depressing when you actually sit down and realise that if nothing else drastically changes (which it won't just by voting) we're pretty much guarenteed to slide into whatever shit the GOP is willing to orchestrate due to the DNC's stance. We've basically got fascism and fascism-on-pause as our only options when it comes to voting. Obviously one still feels preferable to the other (nobody would claim otherwise), but take a look at the big picture and realize how screwed everything is if all we have to depend on is "voting blue no matter who" while hoping the blue's own shitty (in this case outright murderous) stances haven't managed to discourage enough people to stay home once again.
I'm optimistic but in other ways. I'm optimistic that people will wake up to the manipulation taking place on both sides, and start a movement that encourages education and self-awareness. Even then, we are pretty defenseless against AI and those that may control it, but at least we will have some insight into how easily we are manipulated.
I keep seeing this nickname pop up but nobody seems to be able to tell me who Joe Biden has committed genocide against. The only Joe I know that’s committed genocide is Stalin.
It may not be considered genocide, but Biden supported the Iraq war and other efforts which caused a lot of civilian deaths estimated to be well over 100,000.
You mean the war that was supported by virtually the entirety of Congress and the Senate, up to and including Bernie Sanders? That war?
They got fucking lied to and made a bad decision based on bad information. How is that anyone other than the Bush administrations fault?
Sanders didn't vote for the Iraq War. There were members that knew it was a big lie. So now we should feel bad for Joe Biden... poor guy was misled and lied to. By your logic, I should vote for any candidate... heck, I could vote for Trump, cause maybe poor Trump is just surrounded by people lying to him and he shouldn't take any responsibility for anything. Seriously, how many times are the corporate Democrats going to play the... "Who coulda known game?"
Let's approve this bill for a trillion dollars... oh, there was one person overseeing it and the President had authorization to fire them... hm, "Who coulda known?" You know it isn't a good look when your excuses for your party is that they were too inept at the time to do their job.