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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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"Walt Bismarck," a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:

In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.

The particular delight here is the section "Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup".

It turns out they don't like him, they don't like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don't take to him. The frauleins prefer "stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains" over his noble mind and physique.

In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.

(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)

Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:

But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.

There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.

In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.

Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.

The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.

original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The food news is this useless cunt will die one day.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

"During the early 2010s White Americans were under serious attack as a collective in a way that warranted an organized response."

White American here and I can unequivocally state that this was not true then and it's not true now.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

So I've never heard of (or maybe I've forgotten about) The Motte. It seems to claim to be a sort of "rational discussion is welcome no matter your viewpoint" kind of place, but IME places that go out of their way to tell you that in THIS many words, are actually "we welcome right-wing views under the guise of welcoming everyone's views, but really we would like some right wing views to be posted."

What is this place?

This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.

The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!

They've got a long list of rules in the sidebar, none of which seem to be "bigotry not welcome."

My question - am I getting the wrong idea because I just read that one thread (which seems mostly right wing folks) or is it indeed yet another "We claim to be for everyone as our cover, but we're really for the right" kind of a place?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It is also a spinoff of Slatestarscodex reddit, where they had a 'culture war' thread which was a containment thread for the culture war topics (which is a bad idea, containment threads cause spillover in the rest of the community (see for example discords with 'everything goes' meme channels or the ur example /pol/), which was spin off from the subreddit because it was getting so bad. Scott (slatestarcodex) played the game of cryptoneoreactionary 'sorry you feel that way' disavowal of the thread but still vague endorsed themotte.

I'm still annoyed I didn't take screenshots of the replies on themotte trying to recruit people into blood and soil (a neo-nazi term if you are not up to that terminology) homesteading community. I still wonder if they deleted their own reply, themotte mods did it (doubtful as they seem to be very into also leaving mod messages for transparancy) or if it was the reddit admins.

Anyway, the place sucks, and basically anything vile goes there if you use enough words, references, and are vague enough about it. (So don't say 'I want to kill people who cheat' you write a 4000k word post on your ideal society which includes references to capital punishment for cuckolds).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it is indeed a place for rational and reasoned discussion of why the fourteen words are correct, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Jesus fuck, I hate myself so I couldn't help but take a peek. The first comment says "TL;DR but I will still counterargue!" The OP then responds "that's stupid" and gets slapped by the admin for personal attacks. So basically, you can make personal attacks if your account has a history of agreeing with the zeitgeist and you veil them behind enough qualifiers. What an absolute joke of a message board.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's impossible to stop returning to that steaming pile of dogshit post and find something new to sneer at:

As Delicious Tacos aptly put it, a Far Left phase is treated like a woman eating pussy in college, while a Far Right phase is treated like a man sucking cock.

SO? WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU WASTE OF SPACE?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

If I could talk to him I might say - I mean, if you are out of your Far Right phase (and it was really just a phase) maybe the idea of a man sucking cock shouldn't be your go-to example of a thing you imply can never be forgiven.

But that's none of my business, I'm just a puppet depicting a frog drinking tea.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So much to unpack. What the fuck is "Far Left"? How do you treat women eating pussy? Differently in college than after college? Why?

I completely agree with framing all Alt Righters as cocksuckers, but I'm not sure that's what was meant here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're lucky that you don't know all the fucked stereotypes going into this. If you really wanna know, I'm pretty sure it's:

  • parts of mainstream society is only homophobic against gay behavior in men
  • gay behavior in women instead “doesn't count”, or “isn't serious”
  • therefore people thinking like this will accept a women “coming out of a lesbian phase” whereas they look down upon men who didn't behave 100% heterosexual
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I always say jk after sucking a dick so it doesn't count.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

a whore on stage, a comedian in bed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You've got to get in their twisted headspace* to decode it. They mean the former is somewhat acceptable straight behavior, while the latter is "too gay" for stupid reasons.

*not recommended for longer periods of time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ignore me I feel stupider just trying to explain it idk, but I'm just straight enough that I can see what they mean even if I can't really translate it for a normal person

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That right there illustrates what that comment actually means. As a man, I'm assuming you are because of the context of being just straight enough to understand this, traditional society has created this expectation of manliness. That includes having an emotional, and especially a sexual, barrier against other men.

This expectation is not socially present in women. So it's "ok" from a social standpoint to be a woman into women, but it violates manliness protocol for a man to be into men.

What this guy in the original comment is demonstrating is that he is entirely beholden to traditional social protocol, and he's making the comparison, somewhat ironically, that being far right is viewed as a violation of the same social expectations while being far left isn't.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

White nationalists learning about the actual history of European immigration to the US and which groups came in at which times is some of the funniest shit overall. "It's... it's all bullshit? They just kept changing what whiteness meant every year? They still do? :O" Also, props for moving to the Midwest without needing to save money

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

TL;DR: "I'm no longer a white nationalist because a lot of white people are cucked. Now my new identity is with sufficiently pilled white people. This is much more pragmatic. Also I would totally have a cool black friend if any actually existed which means I'm totally not racist."

Also: did anyone else feel a chill reading about a literal nazi talking about how society accepts him now? America used to despise nazis and now they feel like they can walk around openly. It's terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Yes, that stuck with me very much. It's one thing to hear fellow leftists talk about how Trump shifted the Overton window. It's a whole different thing to hear that a Nazi fully feels the effects of it having truly shifted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I reacted to that too, "no need to be an overt WN now that society accepts us!" but I think that's partly bravado.

For example, he loves Twitter now but Elon still hasn't given his account back...

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