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The revived No JS Club celebrates websites that don't use Javascript, the powerful but sometimes overused code that's been bloating the web and crashing tabs since 1995. The No CSS Club goes a step further and forbids even a scrap of styling beyond the browser defaults. And there is even the No HTML Club, where you're not even allowed to use HTML. Plain text websites!

The modern web is the pure incarnation of evil. When Satan has a 1v1 with his manager, he confers with the modern web. If Satan is Sauron, then the modern web is Melkor [1]. Every horror that you can imagine is because of the modern web. Modern web is not an existential risk (X-risk), but is an astronomic suffering risk (S-risk) [2]. It is the duty of each and every man, woman, and child to revolt against it. If you're not working on returning civilization to ooga-booga, you're a bad person.

A compromise with the clubs is called for. A hypertext brutalism that uses the raw materials of the web to functional, honest ends while allowing web technologies to support clarity, legibility and accessibility. Compare this notion to the web brutalism of recent times, which started off in similar vein but soon became a self-subverting aesthetic: sites using 2.4MB frameworks to add text-shadow: 40px 40px 0px hotpink to 400kb Helvetica webfonts that were already on your computer.

I also like the idea of implementing "hypotext" as an inversion of hypertext. This would somehow avoid the failure modes of extending the structure of text by failing in other ways that are more fun. But I'm in two minds about whether that would be just a toy (e.g. references banished to metadata, i.e. footnotes are the hypertext) or something more conceptual that uses references to collapse the structure of text rather than extend it (e.g. links are includes and going near them spaghettifies your brain). The term is already in use in a structuralist sense, which is to say there are 2 million words of French I have to read first if I want to get away with any of this.

Republished Under Creative Commons Terms. Boing Boing Original Article.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Just earlier I was reading about this website hosted on solar power and the extremes they went through to get the website to be simple so very little data is transmitted to save precious watts.

The website https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/about/the-solar-website/

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Maybe it's something sightly outside no js/ccs/html but I am curious if there are any super minimal social media sites.

I want to do something locally within my town and it would be nice to host something simple and tiny with my raspberry pi as the server.

I'm assuming bulletin boards are quite minimal in comparison to other types of social media but I've never been a fan of how they handle previous replies with those boxed quotes.

I've also been nostalgic for irc lately. Everything on the internet these days has become overwhelming. Over the past 1.5 years I've been turning to simplicity and it's a craving I that's hard to ignore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

BBSes are back!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I always loved text stuff. The old rogue games were awesome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Gemini protocol is fab btw. Come join the tildeverse

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

no http club, who is joining?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I love this.

I thought I was being "bare-bones" when I remade my website with PHP & XML (no framework or database). What would they think about a python app that delivers plaintext or html? Is that still kosher for the no-js gang? Or does it have to be static files?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dunno. Give it a shot and see how it goes!

Personally I would just set nginx + translator that would push the site into different formats if I wanted it long term. Just dump the resultant files, set up a website.cool/xxx.txt and push it out there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I see they have a SFW requirement. And while my site is currently SFW, I won't guarantee that it will remain so.

Still, it's at least making me consider cutting out all the zurb-foundation stuff, since that's the only JS I have, and the site is simple enough that it doesn't really need it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I am in the "whistling into the phone handset on a dialup connection is the purest form of online communication" club.

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[–] [email protected] 182 points 4 days ago (1 children)

JavaScript, AJAX, and modern web frameworks have pushed us away from displaying information in a pure and clean way. We need to go back to a better time!

Looks at no-HTML websites

Shit, we've gone back too far!

[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 days ago (16 children)

CSS on the other hand is quite essential to separate layout from content. Which is a good thing, so I can't really think of a reason for a "no-CSS" rule. Specifically if you can use inline styles as well but in a way more messy way.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Separating layout from content is good. CSS is a really bad way to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

CSS is useful but also the devil.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

CSS is mostly evil when you have to center elements in the page.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

text-align: center

or

margin: auto

or

grid

or

flexbox

It's really not that hard now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (6 children)

What if I still have to support IE6?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Then your life choices should be of more concern then centering a div.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Someone will thank you for your service. Not me, but someone.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Then quit your job and get one that doesn’t need to worry about stuff Microsoft doesn’t support anymore.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

I made a promise, Mr. garretble: a promise. "Don't you make me use any other browser," said my nan; and I don't mean to. I don't mean to.

She's still using Windows XP.

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