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Like, let's say that hypothetically China is not socialist. Why do they feel the need to equate it to the USA or to constantly diss it? Literally, no other country has 800 military bases abroad, and no other country will vulture the resources away from a fallen China like the USA would. So, being a Maoist to me just is helping the USA Intelligence departments. Literally, NATO and Western Imperialism are the main enemies, I don't get why some groups wouldn't want to take China as an ally. Even if they were ultra capitalist like the Maoist say, if the West falls is not like China would even be able to become the USA 2.0. They make up a dystopian future based on lies and fears and then equate that fake future to our current world, and end up equating an evil empire to a country that just wants to give the rest of the world another option.

Maoists feel like an "us vs the world" exclusive club to me

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (19 children)

China began its period of peaceful development and opened up to Western markets while the US was bombing Vietnam and Laos, while there were coups in Indonesia and Congo and Chile and throughout the third world, and while the US was pulling farther and farther ahead in the Cold War. It implemented sweeping reforms that rolled back collectivization and opened up its people to Western exploitation.

In hindsight it's clear this was a strategic choice to buy time to peacefully develop their productive capacity and geopolitical strength, and it worked, but for fourty years it looked like a betrayal of the revolution and liberal revisionism and capitulation to capital etc etc

Even now, it seems China would be fully willing to go back to collaboration with the US to continue peaceful development. China will let allies fall and let genocide wipe out other potential allies without taking action, won't support revolutionary guerilla movements or risk international peace to engage in international militant struggle, and will let their own people be used as cheap disposable labor 48+ hours a week making US toys.

The extreme caution is definitely frustrating, even as China keeps being proven right and their caution keeps paying off. I think Maoists will have to confront the fact that there's a new Cold War eventually, and I'm interested in seeing how they respond politically.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Maoists say China is not socialist?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The origin of "Maoism" as it's used today goes back to China after Mao's death, where there was a power struggle between those who stuck closer to Mao's teachings (Peasant Democracy and political education/activism) and the more Technocratic, economically liberal elements.

In reality, the result was that moderates took power and did their best to appease both sides; but to the Maoists, they believe that after Mao's death China fell to Liberal revisionism and the Gang of Four, the leaders of the Maoist movement, were exiled.

Maoism was popularized outside of China by Peru's Shining Path, led by Chairman Gonzalo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. I thought Maoism was just ascribing to communism with Chinese characteristics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Maoists" hate Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. They are ultras. Basically China's version of Trotskyites. No existing socialism is good enough for them because it's never pure enough, left enough, or revolutionary enough. It is deeply ironic that they call themselves "Maoists" because Mao himself made pragmatic compromises with the national bourgeoisie under the framework of New Democracy that today's "Maoists" would call revisionist, liberal and a betrayal of socialism. Those who follow the real spirit of Mao's teachings in China don't call it "Maoism", they call it Mao Zendong Thought. They view this as simply a part of Marxism-Leninism. China today takes a 70-30 view on Mao. 70% of what he did was good, 30% not so good. In particular they are critical of the ultra-left tendencies of the chaotic Cultural Revolution era toward the end of Mao's life.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is there a book recommendation you can give me where I can learn more about this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You'll have to be more specific. Which part? China under Mao? The Cultural Revolution? The phenomenon of "Maoism"? Socialism with Chinese Characteristics? Modern China's view on the Mao period? These are big topics, i don't know a single book that covers them all.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

No that's just Marxism-Leninism

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