this post was submitted on 24 May 2025

72 points (100.0% liked)

chat

8403 readers

218 users here now

Chat is a text only community for casual conversation, please keep shitposting to the absolute minimum. This is intended to be a separate space from c/chapotraphouse or the daily megathread. Chat does this by being a long-form community where topics will remain from day to day unlike the megathread, and it is distinct from c/chapotraphouse in that we ask you to engage in this community in a genuine way. Please keep shitposting, bits, and irony to a minimum.

As with all communities posts need to abide by the code of conduct, additionally moderators will remove any posts or comments deemed to be inappropriate.

Thank you and happy chatting!

founded 3 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

"Wow, this math/science YouTuber seems pretty smart..." 😀 (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

21 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Ad mid roll:

I trust The Economist magazine for thoughtful analysis and [...]

i-cant "Lmao okay I guess not then."

Or they'll be discussing politics and history with an (otherwise) interesting guest when the subject broaches Marxism, and you hear the same old, first-grader, thought-terminating misconceptions about "human nature" or "works in theory". agony-acid

bruh-moment

Edit: One guy remarked that the Nazis were a result of the October Revolution, which may be technically accurate because some White Russians worked with the Nazis, but he was definitely framing it in a "communism did WWII" way.

top 21 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Add every victim of WW2 to the communist death count

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I assume that every YouTuber is a completely incoherent libertarian until directly proven otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How often were you right than wrong?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I'm batting well above .900

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

That's a good heuristic.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean I think there's a lot of merit to say the Nazis were a result of the October Revolution. Historians like Enzo Traverso and Domenico Losurdo would argue that WWI and WWII are part of the same thirty years war, and that the fascists were the direct result of the communist challenge to capitalist supremacy. There was no other method aside from fascism to restore the Capital order in a place like Italy.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

if you want to you could argue that like 1850-1950 was a hundred years of labor conflict bubbling up to these wars which were a result of capitalist and imperialist forces with the influence of "communism" really just representing the rising education and class awareness of the proletariat as well as an increasing ability to threaten order through better organization and coordination

anyway it's almost like the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh most definitely, I just think it's wrong to blame communism for the atrocities done in reaction to it. That was the subtext I was offended by.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Ah got it, agreed.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean, I trust The Economist to have thoughtful analysis from the perspective of the international capitalist class with uncrossable ideological boundaries providing the framing.

I don't often need a reminder of "how these people think" but sometimes I do, like when the administrative state of the US is undergoing a proscribed burn that seems to be getting out of hand. The Economist is probably one of the more salient examples of capitalist logic... the steady hand and voice on the wheel of slave ship that is compartmentalizing leaks by insisting more and more of the workers keeping it afloat must be confined to quarters below and silently drown with honor, dignity and civility.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

😌

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Isn't it written by 19-year-olds?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i think of them, the "writers", more like monkeys banging on keyboards while Baron Paul Deighton and others on their group boards playing the Mr. Burns role when the monkeys' narratives are too incomprehensibly out of pocket.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

so are my posts but i could probably give a pretty good summary of the war in sudan if i felt like it smh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Fair enough. I guess that's not a reason to dislike them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't mind hearing that summary

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

being a subject matter expert is extremely different from achieving enlightenment.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which is fine as long as they're not arrogant.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

the whole system is built around telling people they're extra special smart little kiddos for knowing the right and correctly true answer, and that's why they deserve petty boug incomes and consumer habits. it's baked in.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

As someone in STEM, I can say, we suck