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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The article is really lazy about citing its sources.

many cars don't come with dipsticks anymore. Some sources say

Are these some sources in the room with us?

it's because automakers don't trust us to use them, so why make them? (That's kind of along the lines of rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it, right?) Or maybe it's some kind of conspiracy to keep drivers coming in for oil changes more often.

This is like an eighth grader padding out a book report.

But in actuality, it's because a lot of things are going digital.

Tl;dr: Here's a higher quality source: Why the Reliable Dipstick is Sliding into Obsolescence

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Knowing the exact oil level is very important for new cars. The piston rings are now made of softer metal to get a few more mpgs. If you overfill oil, you will get blow by, damage the rings, and start burning oil. Toyota now has an involved process of changing oil, running the engine, then topping off the oil while the engine is hot so as to not overfill. But not even my dealer follows that official procedure Toyota put in their manual.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Because I run electric?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't like it because:

  • I want to look at the oil and smell it, not just check the level.
  • I don't know the failure modes for the sensor, so I can't trust that the absence of a complaint from it means the oil level is correct.
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Exactly

Right now there is no better detection system than in

  • Seeing the oil level
  • seeing the oil color
  • smelling the oil content
  • feeling the oil viscosity and any contamination
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (6 children)

my 2008 BMW doesn't have a dipstick

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My cyber truck doesn't have a dipstick and I'm mad as hell about it. I bought it to feel like more of a man and I feel like less of man without a dipstick.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I thought the dipstick in a cybertruck is usually found behind the steering wheel

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This sounds like an old Mercedes problem: Why even having a dipstick when there isn't any drain bolt? The Mechanic sucks all the oil from the top using a vacuum. Grime buildup down in the oil pan? Ain't care! The car will break anyway, once it's out of warranty.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

the vacuum oil change is a standard in watercraft, so its not that revolutionary

I hated raising my VW Jetta so I would oil change it with a hand pump vacuum, it worked great

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 days ago (8 children)

New cars absolutely do have dipsticks; they're the ones designing them.

Notwithstanding the potential for software bugs or other issues inherent with monitoring oil levels only digitally, monitoring just the oil level is not the sole purpose of the dipstick. Being able to physically see a sample of the engine oil is a vital diagnostic tool and can alert an owner or mechanic to a head gasket problem or other oil contamination issue, or if something is grinding metal shavings into the oil, etc.

For what it's worth I have yet to actually physically see a new vehicle without an oil dipstick. I guess they're out there, but so far I've been lucky. But I have already had quite a few automatic transmission equipped cars without a transmission dipstick cross my path, and that's already enough of a pain in the ass. If you're lucky there's a side plug in the transmission case you can use to check the fluid condition and level (after crawling under the vehicle...) but in a lot of cases there isn't even that -- your only recourse is to drop the transmission pan off entirely, which causes you to lose all the fluid in the process. And you'll probably also have to replace the gasket while you're at it. Needless to say, this is an incredibly moronic design decision.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (7 children)

My wife has a 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The AC condenser got a leak in it and it was going to be over $2k to fix in a shop. I took it on myself to save money. The condenser mounts to the back of the radiator, so I had to get at it by removing the bumper and everything between that and the engine block. Also attached part of the radiator is the transmission cooler. Unhooking everything meant that I was going to lose some fluids, but that was fine, I'd top them off and pay to have refrigerant added.

After I reassembled, I when to check the trans fluid levels, and couldn't find the dipstick. It turns out, like you said, if you crawl under the vehicle, on the back of the trans pan is a bolt you can remove, and if you have a special dipstick that you buy separately for this sole purpose, you can stick it in there to check levels. There's not way to add fluid without pumping it in there, but at least you can see how much you have.

Since I only lost less than a quart, I took it into the shop, explained what's up, and asked for it to be topped off. The shop guy calls back later, and told me that to do the trans fluid, the filter is only sold with a whole new pan, and because Chrysler, the fluid cost like $40 a qt, and I needed like 15 to fill it. It still cost more than $800 to just do that, then more than $500 for the refrigerant. I still saved about $500-1k in parts and labor for what I did, but, the lack of dipstick and fill tube was an extremely inconvenient and expensive thing.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Your first line made me laugh out loud!

And yes, the enshitification is real.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (7 children)

For what it's worth I have yet to actually physically see a new vehicle without an oil dipstick.

It seems to be mostly a euro thing. BMW stopped using oil dipsticks nearly 2 decades ago. Land Rover also somewhere in the late 00's.

But I agree it's a moronic idea. Not only does it prevent you from checking oil condition like you said; if it's after an oil change, it takes about 15min just to check the level (and another 15 if you messed it up). At $150+/hr shop rates, that adds up.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Why would you put a dipstick in a EV? Sounds like a good design decision to me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I think we can all safely assume that EV's are not relevant to this discussion.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Just to fuck with people I'd put one on the blinkers

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

next to the blinker fluid tank

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

On the bottom of it actually

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