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"Yes don't vote at all to get rid of fascism"

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (21 children)

If you are confronted with two evils, thus the argument runs, it is your duty to opt for the lesser one, whereas it is irresponsible to refuse to choose altogether. … The weakness of the argument has always been that those who choose the lesser evil forget very quickly that they chose evil.

  • Hannah Arendt, "Personal Responsibility Under Dictatorship," in Responsibility and Judgment (2003)

It's very interesting that those who screamed that we had to choose the lesser of two evils in 2020, thereby admitting to the evil of the Democrats, immediately shut up about this evil as soon as Biden took office. Now that the greater evil has taken power, you never talk about actually fighting it, you just spend your time bashing people with a conscience.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Can we just rename this instance from politicalmemes to tankierants

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tell me you don't understand American politics without telling me you don't understand American politics

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Let's say that if in every Presidential and Congressional election from 2028 to 2058, everyone who'd otherwise vote for 3rd parties instead voted Democrat, and Democrats always won the White House, >45% of the House and Senate each, always had a majority in at least 1 house, and at least 1/2 the time won majorities in both houses.

Do you think the US would be any closer to voter reform—e.g. proportional representation, ranked ballots, whatever, even re-drawing districts more sensibly?

wp:2024 United States presidential election#Results by state

If 1.5 million Californians who voted for Harris, instead voted for Trump, Harris would have still won that state;

or,

If 3 million Californians who voted for Harris, instead voted for 3rd parties (e.g. Stein), Harris would have still won that state.

4 835 250 Texans voted for Harris. That's more votes for Harris than any other state besides California. It was still over 1.5 million votes less than what Trump got in Texas.

If those who voted for Harris in Texas instead voted 3rd party, Harris would be no worse the loser in terms of Texan Electoral votes.

But yeah, I have no understanding of American politics.

(minor correction about 20 minutes after posting: for 3rd party into for 3rd parties)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Right, and not voting at all is the surefire way to make third parties happen. Sure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

So, ultimately this whole thing hangs on how possible or likely is making the rise of a significant third party

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I vote for 3rd parties, but people say I should vote for the lesser-evil wing of the 2-party-state.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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