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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (19 children)

So that's why Gates said he would donate money once he dies

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yet again, I laugh, and remark 'People still use Windows? People still use MSFT products?'

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (10 children)

There's really no competitor for large orgs with robust technology needs.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Sadly. An example: I work at a small school that does not have an IT department. Staff and teachers are nearly IT-illiterate, and the students can hardly be coaxed to do stuff on a laptop instead of their phones. So installing Linux would add an additional hurdle for both. Probably much smaller than they think, but still: it heightens the threshold to even consider switching to Linux.

There's a few people who know that Linux is just as valid as Windows, but who would they trust to make the switch safely. Me? I'm not a professional. So they'd have to pay someone, properly. And then it all comes down to money again which usually comes down to "let's not change anything".

So for now I'd just be happy if they used LibreOffice instead of MS365.

The same goes for Google Workspace. Making the effort to roll your own (totally possible with FOSS) would require to pay at least 1 person, and some sort of transitional period. It's cheaper and easier to pay none and just blame it on Google when things don't work as desired. These people just don't see it as a priority. Don't understand the dangers.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Especially when you can use literally any other word process and program and save in Microsoft document formats.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Google offers workspace for free to nonprofits, Including device management. No one, I know in nonprofits even fucks with Microsoft because they’re so ridiculous. Now it’ll be even less people.

Google now has the market cornered because they aren’t as greedy.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Google is so fuckin greedy lmao

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, but it's essentially the difference between the greed of an ancient red wyrm, (Microsoft) and an adolescent white wyrm. (Alphabet)

The white guy is almost a cutie next to the red one. They're still both chromatic dragons, and therefore evil. One is just leaning more towards lawful evil, and the other seems to have embraced chaotic evil

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

They aren't as greedy yet. It will come.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Microsoft has no soul. I'm going to guess that Google will follow suit. There is no class solidarity quite like corporate class solidarity. Fuck all these companies.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But can you also get all the enterprise features they have with Linux? Like, backups, mobile device management, identity and access management, MFA? All integrated tightly and easily deployable from a portal?

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Might as well pay up, what are you going to do learn something slightly different?

[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

LibreOffice

And perfectly working software that covers whatever else MS365 offers, e.g. Thunderbird

I'd love for more people to change to Linux, but these are all (also) Windows software.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago

And if you need a more MS Office like feel: Use Softmaker.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah office isn’t the what orgs care about losing with this change. Business premium was the lowest cost license option available to non-profits that allowed access to identity management using entra.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Identity and access management ensures that the right people, machines, and software components get access to the right resources at the right time. First, the person, machine, or software component proves they're who or what they claim to be. Then, the person, machine, or software component is allowed or denied access to or use of certain resources.

So that's what's that called. Is that also what tracks who access what and when?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

That’s the real story here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sometimes I find myself annoyed by Lemmy users. We love to tout foss alternatives, even when they don't work as well, or aren't nearly as polished.

Libre office is a different story, it has everything you'll need, it's really complete, it does everything you want and it can read any format you throw at it and save its output in any format you need. It launches faster than Microsoft office, it's more stable, I really have absolutely no complaints, everyone should be using it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Libre doesn't support IDM, nor provide email, nor MFA, nor CAM, nor MDM, nor storage.

M365 Business Premium is a LOT more than Office Documents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah that's fair, I've seen how Office business integrates with the OS and a bunch of network services, so I'm not surprised by that. Well, for those corporate environments I expect MS will continue to be the norm. But for small businesses and home use, Libra is really fantastic.

And honestly, for personal use I could do without all that email and calendar integration, good riddance.

Edit: Also storage? MFA? MDM? Why would you want that in an office suite? like maybe MDM is useful, but it doesn't belong in the office suite. And the rest of the acronyms I didn't even recognize... So I'm guessing they also don't really belong.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah it does. I'll be honest, I don't use spreadsheets much so I don't have personal experience with it, but yeah it does support that.

I was curious, so I followed up on this. Here's what a quick Google search turned up:

To open an XLSM file in LibreOffice Calc, you can generally open it directly. However, you might need to save it in a different format (like ODS) to ensure compatibility, especially if you're dealing with macros. LibreOffice Basic is not directly compatible with Excel VBA macros, so you may need to rewrite the macros to use LibreOffice Basic.

In other words, you may need to save your Excel documents as open document files, but after that their macros should work just as they did. Either way, macros are supported and in fact there are a few different scripting languages you can use.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

GNOME Evolution is also a good outlook alternative and am pretty sure it was made as a open source alternative to outlook

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use evolution! It has some advantages over thunderbird but afaik it's *nix only.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

yeah the only downside

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Has it gotten a makeover yet? Last time I used it ~3 years ago it still looked like it was built in the early 90s.

It was functional, not a complaint about that. The super old design just got on my nerves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Depends on the GTK theme ig?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

And if you need it in a browser, there is Collabora, which exists as a paid business version with support or a free non-support version, that can easily be deployed with Nextcloud. Another alternative would be CryptPad.

If you also need your mails in your browser, there are multiple providers like mailbox.org that offer mail encryption even through the online mail interface.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Yesterday, I finally talked my parents into canceling MS356 and switching to LibreOffice and Thunderbird.

Now, the excessive subscription fees for MS365 goes to them instead.

If Microsoft keeps this up, I might even manage to persuade them to switch to Linux at some point.

[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Bootstraps, folks! Microsoft is basically BEGGING you to try Linux, and it's now easier than ever - even easier than installing Windows!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the inevitable enshitification of our lives by capitalism will continue, even if we remove it from our lives as much as we are able.

What microsoft does to its products, it also does to our governments and civil liberties, social media does to society and democracy, data brokers do to privacy, zillow does to housing security, wallstreet does to economic mobility and financial regulations, etc, etc, etc.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

you know, i always wondered why of all places to attack, they chose the twin towers. starting to understand it now.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lame. The web versions suck.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought from the headline that it was just a downgrade to Business Standard, no this is to Business Basic! That's a huge yikes, it's so much harder to be productive in those web versions.

I honestly would not be surprised if users work out installing LibreOffice et al. so they can still have a desktop app experience because of this move.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if the amount of SharePoint storage will be impacted by such a license chance too. One of my clients at work will be very unhappy with these changes especially if it means they have to buy more SharePoint storage

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