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The Series is now over. we can now officially declare we avoided it! Not one Jedi, not one sith, not one appearance of Vader of the emperor, not one lightsaber, not one physical manifestation of "The Force". They actually did Star wars with zero bullshit.

These couple of weeks, Hexbear has been full of Andor posts. Considering these last 3 episodes were probably the best television I've ever seen in my life, I figure there are gonna be a lot of people who want to share their thoughts on the finale.

I'll be honest, until episode 10, I thought Season 2 wasn't for me. it's wasn't bad but I just felt it didn't have the punch of Season 1. that season gave us novel tropes like a gold heist, a prison break, a riot, etc. season 2 was a more character focused set up for rogue one.

but the last 3 episodes, they changed everything. every minute was amazing.

Andor is often called perfect for someone who doesn't think they like star wars. If it was just a standalone sci-fi spy thriller, it would be still be the best thing on television, but what's truly the crowning accomplishment is that if you do know a lot about star wars, it somehow becomes ever better. This show redeems other media in this franchise. it redeems rogue one, it even strengthens Episode 4.

How much the destruction of the death star cost. In episode 4, the audience is shown "It was a longshot, but somehow a backwater orphan pilot managed to score the killing shot and destroy the battle station."

in Rogue One, they're shown "Okay, it was an even longer shot than that, because before they got to that point, they had to do a big adventure culiminating in getting the plans off Scarif with just seconds to spare"

And I always thought that was sort of weak, because it's a work of fiction. fiction naturally collects around the execution of extremely lucky acts. how ever unlikely their success was is ultimately arbitrary, they can always be written to succeed in spite of the odds.

But it's not about their luck, it's about their sophistication. it's that the rebels were doing all of these things collectively and competently, that they had become what they needed to be at their finest hour, and all the contributions, all the sacrifices of every single character all lead to this being possible.

Or I'm just high an none of this makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Incredible that Tony Gilroy came along and just made the best thing Star Wars has put out since 1980. Why would he do that?

My personal enjoyment of the operatic tragedy that is Revenge of the Sith might edge out Andor, slightly, but loving ROTS is what I imagine it must feel like to have a kid who's a real screw-up. You love them and you see all the best parts of them, but you can't deny the mistakes they've made. But unlike ROTS I don't needs to qualify my enjoyment of Andor. It's not like twenty years from now I'm going to say "oh I like Andor but have you read the novelization? It completely realizes what that show was trying to do," like I do now with both ROTS and Rogue One.

I think next paycheck I'm going to splurge and buy a lot of the old X-wing novel series if I can find one that's not too high.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Also I can't believe we learn some of Luthen's backstory. I just assumed he was someone a bit like Mon Mothma, using his real name and the real identity he had during the time of the Republic as an antiquities dealer as a cover for his rebel activities. Much more interesting to learn that he was an NCO with a penchant for artifacts who got fed up one day and made a choice of where to stand, just like the people he recruits. Interesting that it seems no one, not even Kleya, will ever know Luthen's real name or who he really was before he rebelled.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I'm glad my boy Wilmon is safe

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I am going to make my mushroom soup now

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

I enjoyed it all. The only thing I don't like is that a Star Wars show seems to be the only way to get a high-budget story about actual empire. Maybe Coogler's X-Files will go into the deep state more than the original.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

spoilerFor spy masterminds who had a massive fortune at one point and plenty of time to figure something out, they had a shitty escape plan. And why'd he shoot Lonni?

Overall, a lot of characters felt forced in to outcomes to fit with Rogue One.

I thought there were some pretty shots, the way things where framed. I like how actors look and are lit in bright white rooms, every pore and hair follicle visible, like in THX 1138 (george lucas reference?).

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

spoilerLuthen knew he was compromised for a long time, but stayed active on Coruscant for longer than he was safe to in order gather intel on the super weapon, which made Yavin cut ties. he still tried to escape when he got the intel, but he trusted it to Kleya as he still had to destroy his base before leaving. Lonni was a liability who would lead them directly to Luthen, though Luthen didn't realize it wouldn't make a difference in how quickly he'd be found. he was also behaving erratically and betrayed Luthen by not leveraging his stolen password far earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Hey, uh, what do I watch after this ends? I'm on the final episode and am supposed to be making mushroom soup.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

If you want more Andor...

Motorcycle Diaries, then Che part 1/2.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rogue One, then Columbo. Unless your dog just passed away last week and you can't watch the scenes with Dog without bawling your eyes out catgirl-cry

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm halfway through Rogue One and the characterisation is so different. Also, the story mainly revolves around non-Force Rey. Not sure what's up with the Death Star only destroying a city when the whole point is to keep it secret. Very plot.

Krennic is kinda similar, but he's more of a power tripping asshole in Andor as he's the most institutionally powerful person in the story. Also barely shows up in Andor.

I think Tony Gilroy worked a lot better without the constraints of the Disney movie police. Everything is very cartoony in Rogue One.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think Tony Gilroy worked a lot better without the constraints of the Disney movie police. Everything is very cartoony in Rogue One.

He didn't do most of the writing they brought him in at the end to fix it up and someone else directed (Gareth Edwards).

Parts that are good are probably Gilroy, he cut the romance between Jyn and Erso and pushed to have them all die.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Rogue One is next chronologically, but I wouldn't say it shares much with Andor apart from the characters.

Jenny Nicholson pretty much mirrors all the thoughts I had when Rogue One came out, and this is coming from someone who really liked The Force Awakens

Lol @2:15 "Man, it's starting to feel like all the interesting stuff in Rogue One happened before Rogue One, maybe we need a prequel to Rogue One? Just kidding." Perfection.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Rogue One is a land of contrasts. It could be the best film ever and it still would be the first time anyone used CGI to resurrect a non consenting dead actor tainting it morally.

But it's also got wretched vibes at points, kind of orientalist with the force sensitive monk guy, kind of racist in the way Saw's faction when not scary aliens are dark skinned and terrorist coded, compared to the pasty Yavin 4 crew. Kind of lib too.

And the first 2/3rds is kind of janky, a series of disconnected vignettes, some good, some meh.

But the last 1/3rd is pretty fantastic star wars, the jumping between Jyn and Cassian infiltration, the battle on the ground with the rebels trying to sow confusion, the battle in space, the U-wings and X-Wings racing through the closing shield gate to give support even though it's a suicide mission with no way back. All really great.

Also the film does a lot to show how the rebellion is an alliance with factions that coalesce and fragment given the circumstances, which makes the original trilogy make more sense. And Andor then expanded on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

michael clayton

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

the bourne identity

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I liked how the imperials failed to prevent the superweapon leak because of careerist competition in their ranks, and how each of the fascists who were developed as characters died full of doubt about how they spent their lives. Delicious.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Perfect encapsulation of how pathetic fascist society really is

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I saw someone describe Karn's death as "crushing" in an article and it's like no it was perfect, he sucked.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Crushing from his perspective -- in sort of a Javert/Jean Valjean sort of way, but it turns out to be completely one-sided on Javert/Syril's part.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Yeah I love the one sided part. It was like an inverted version of "But for me, it was Tuesday" from Street fighter.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Or I'm just high an none of this makes sense

It's good to be high and vibing

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