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The Series is now over. we can now officially declare we avoided it! Not one Jedi, not one sith, not one appearance of Vader of the emperor, not one lightsaber, not one physical manifestation of "The Force". They actually did Star wars with zero bullshit.

These couple of weeks, Hexbear has been full of Andor posts. Considering these last 3 episodes were probably the best television I've ever seen in my life, I figure there are gonna be a lot of people who want to share their thoughts on the finale.

I'll be honest, until episode 10, I thought Season 2 wasn't for me. it's wasn't bad but I just felt it didn't have the punch of Season 1. that season gave us novel tropes like a gold heist, a prison break, a riot, etc. season 2 was a more character focused set up for rogue one.

but the last 3 episodes, they changed everything. every minute was amazing.

Andor is often called perfect for someone who doesn't think they like star wars. If it was just a standalone sci-fi spy thriller, it would be still be the best thing on television, but what's truly the crowning accomplishment is that if you do know a lot about star wars, it somehow becomes ever better. This show redeems other media in this franchise. it redeems rogue one, it even strengthens Episode 4.

How much the destruction of the death star cost. In episode 4, the audience is shown "It was a longshot, but somehow a backwater orphan pilot managed to score the killing shot and destroy the battle station."

in Rogue One, they're shown "Okay, it was an even longer shot than that, because before they got to that point, they had to do a big adventure culiminating in getting the plans off Scarif with just seconds to spare"

And I always thought that was sort of weak, because it's a work of fiction. fiction naturally collects around the execution of extremely lucky acts. how ever unlikely their success was is ultimately arbitrary, they can always be written to succeed in spite of the odds.

But it's not about their luck, it's about their sophistication. it's that the rebels were doing all of these things collectively and competently, that they had become what they needed to be at their finest hour, and all the contributions, all the sacrifices of every single character all lead to this being possible.

Or I'm just high an none of this makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I loved the helmet-less thumb headed wannabe operator ISB SWAT Storm Troopers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The moustache on the squad leader was certainly something to behold

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Heert repeating the orders at him again like he is a child causes such a good reaction shot from moustache man

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Yeah it was never about their luck. I think people focus on the Vader hallway scene for the EPIC shit and not that it is another moment driving home how collective the sacrifices are. We already saw Cassian and Jyn die and as the camera rises above the planet, the bridge of the Profundity is burning, the plans are handed off and a dozen troopers die in a desperate act to just barely slip them through a doorway, one trooper even fucking goes to elbow vader with no weapon, literally just making Vader kill him to buy a second longer.

They didn't get lucky, they just bought time with their blood

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Krennic has read the uniform code.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Legit one of the greatest pieces of sci-fi to ever grace the screen

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I like that the only surviving ISB supervisor we know by name is Lagret, the bald guy who was just kind of average at his job, the "competent" and ambitious ones like Meero, Heert and Blevin (disappeared off screen) are gone along with Partagaz.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Like perhaps a bunch of sociopaths competing against each other and getting purged for failure isn't an effective structure for an organisation.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

"We fight to win. That means we lose... and lose, and lose, and lose. Until we're ready." - Luthen

That makes me feel better about losing all the time.

I liked Season 1 but thought Season 2 was great. Maybe I need to rewatch season 1.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Man I hated star wars before and had to be convinced multiple times to watch this. One of the best tv shows i've ever watched, abolutely incredible. Star wars will never be this good again.

I will remember Nemik's manifesto. And I keep coming back to the Past/Present Suite.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

The only way I think they could sustain it is some kind of dense political drama, either about the collapse of the New Republic or the structural rebuilding needed after episode 9.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wrote a fucking paper on the first season of Andor and I can confidently say I do not regret doing that. I opened the paper with Nemik's manifesto, and I have probably listened to this one monolog so many times I could repeat it by heart. And then these last three episodes hit, and I'm glued to the screen, keeping it together, and they just play it again, and I'm a crying mess. God, academic writing will never again be this much fun, but also, Star Wars will never again be this much fun.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, it'd be a major doxx, so no cri

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

pretty funny that Andor's sister was a total red herring that was never explored beyond the very first scene of the series.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Oh yes, and that little detail aboutyoung Kleya and Andor's sister looking very alike was also a funny thing. Yet another red herring, because no, Kleya is not Andor's sister.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am watching Rogue One the next day after finishing the season. And Andor is so good it retroactively ruins Rogue One. The way Cassian is played in the movie, the rest of the characters, etc. This is very messy. It's still one of my favorite star wars movies, but damn.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I just went and say Rogue One immediately after the last episode of Andor, and whilst things do tie neatly at all levels from the end of Andor into Rogue One, the focus changes from Andor to Jyn and whilst you don't really notice a disjunction in how the characters were played between one and the other, the character depth is naturally a lot less in Rogue One.

What does change massivelly is the style of story - Andor is about people (in imaginary circumstances), Rogue One is just an action rollercoaster - and the pacing which is very different between the Series and the Film (as expected, both from the difference in length and the style of story).

It was also interesting to notice how small the role of Senator Mothma was in Rogue One compared to how big it is in Andor - a few other minor characters in Rogue One do get much more fleshed out in Andor but the Senator has by far the most extreme difference in story presence between one and the other.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every time I watch it, I'm like this is way worse than I remember. Then that amazing final act swoops in like a MiB memory wipe telling me it's actually good.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was literally telling my friends that. The final act saves the movie.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

I remember reading through a lot of interviews at the time and people on the set were literally saying that as soon as Disney brought additional writers in, it all came together. I think it wasn't just Gilroy, but hiring him (&others) seems to have made the final act of Rogue One as good as it was.

When I watch it these days I'll be patient until we meet Saw Gerrera, then get angry at how they butcher the character, and then enjoy the rest of the movie.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All I can say is, THANK GOD!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago

I want to see that droid after Endor wearing more medals than Zhukov

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