Funny how people act like only China does this sort of thing and that the US is just a little guy who is far behind on cyber warfare and astroturfing and only does this kind of thing in self-defense. Pointing out how silly that is gets you mass downvoted and being called a shill/wumao.
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I mean we know China and Russia do this shit to us, do we really expect that the US does not have similar operations? I think this is just a standard part of espionage now.
Remember: It's always OK when the US/Israel does it.
It's never OK when China or Russia does it.
This is how tribalism, indoctrination, and propaganda work. Most of you fall for it hook, line, and sucker (then get mad when people call it out.)
And it's always OK when Oklahoma does it
Wait, does that mean the uyghur concentration camps and other human rights violations don't exist??
No
Broken clock is right twice a day. It's silly to expect the US to not do something like that, especially with so many other countries doing the same. Plus the rumors that were released were (apparently) true, so there's not much to complain about there.
The only issue is that Trump has the political subtlety of a clown horn, so I don't expect the plan to have worked at all
Yeah, it's okay to do bad things if other people are doing them.
That's how we make the world a shittier place.
is right
Lmfao
don’t expect the plan to have worked at all
While it's not being as effective on younger people, anglosphere countries have had their populations grow very anti-China with the sinophobic rhetoric in news outlets and politicians in the last 5 years.
It's clearly worked, and, like alot of other republican projects (like the border wall), dems have continued this racist shit.
The effort, which began in 2019
Checks out with the all the racist "memes" about China that took off in english-speaking spaces around this time
probably also something to do with COVID but hey that's just a guess
So like, why do we care? CIA exists to do these shenanigans, so dont be mad when they do those shenanigans...
Something tells me you'd care if this was about China influencing US public opinion.
They already do, same with Russia... we fight fire with fire.
I hate Trump more than Al Franken hates Lindsay Graham, but honestly the US would be stupid to not use the same tools currently being used against our electorate to weaken rivals. I wouldn't be upset up learn that Biden is doing the same
But a better solution would be regulation of social media and better public education
regulation of social media
What exactly does that look like? Mandated photos of government-issued IDs, or better yet, smartcards/RSA RealID for verifying access?
Here are some of my thoughts on this very thing from the other day.
I'd place this wager right now:
US internet providers will start having large 'outages' nationwide in the next 1-2 years, probably sooner. It'll be blamed on a cyberattack. Some massive leak will happen and cover 24/7 news channels for weeks. Shortly after that we'll start seeing legislature to block foreign access to government computers, via the Internet i.e. undersea cables, not via ISP-level firewalls and switches. Then that will slowly transform into us not being able to access foreign unapproved sites without submitting ID to some kind of safety system, and soon after that the frog will be boiled enough that they can firewall the US, just like China, Russia, North Korea are firewalled. It will trickle down to some sort of alliance of Western networked countries.
China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, etc control their populace very well by disallowing access by the majority to foreign unapproved websites. Western-run social media including YouTube is especially hard to access or filtered heavily. We're extremely vulnerable to a propaganda attack of massive proportions (more than is already happening now) which could cause militia groups to legitimately go to war with the US Gov, allowing the budding alliance of NK/RU/CN/IR/ to attack us while our resources are overloaded
Bless the datahoarders. May the petabytes be with you.
The best regulation would be to turn it all off and pretend it never happened
What does it look like?
Open source codebase (particularly for algorithms that rank and serve content), transparency of investors, more funding to identify misconduct and misinformation, actual financial consequences for failing to quickly remove disinformation and remove bad faith users
I'm not sure what the heck the rest of your post was on about, enjoy your bunker, I guess?
It's a meme circulating from somewhere. I heard the first 2/3rds of that quoted portion almost word for word from a building maintenance who was about as non technical as it comes while still being able to function in that job in 2024.
Would be curious where it's sourced from.
I'd be curious as well because I'm into geopolitics and tech and came to that conclusion on my own a few days ago.
Weird. Are you a Ham by chance? He mentioned he started doing that and was very excited to share that once the internet broke hams would still be up moving packets.
Only thing I can think of.
I'm not, but it's something I've read about in the past and I listened to most of the Art Bell tape vault and he was always talking about HAM. I do have an interest in systems of censorship and censorship resistance, and geopolitics, decentralized systems and network security, so I suppose it all kind of falls into place once you start thinking about it and understanding it based on what we've already seen happen in other countries. Twitter was the driving platform behind the Arab Spring protests, for example, and IMO it was also a large part of the reason Occupy WallSt was able to be so quickly divided and squashed. And for the last ~decade we've seen the listed countries firewalling their citizens from accessing free content, while they ramp up the authoritarianism. Russia made sure it had local competitors and ways to cut itself off before it started the 2016 campaign.
You can't regulate and legislate your way out of social media propaganda campaigns by foreign adversaries. Congress as a whole didn't even begin to really understand tech until post-COVID.
The rest of my post was a copy/paste from a message to a friend the other day. My point is that the risk of foreign propaganda campaigns do much more damage to societies with open & free Internet access. Good luck running propaganda laps around Vkontakte users the way Cambridge Analytica did in the US. Vkontakte is Russia's state owned Facebook clone. It's the difference between the abuse team at a company, and the intelligence arm of a country.
From the PoV of the intelligence community, open internet access is a serious threat to national security. But they can't openly just shut down free Internet access or they'd have a civil war on their hands (maybe literally). So they'll use justifications. Iran WMD's, not stopping pearl harbor from happening, Tunguskee experiments, our leaders are good at justifying their reasoning and it doesn't take a bunker baby to understand this.
meshtastic
Yes sir. Mesh networks are currently a hobbyist privilege but once networks start getting more censored they'll be a necessity, like privacy coins. We either obtain world peace, or things freedom of information keeps devolving into a dystopian future where meshnet communication systems are distributed locally and through the mail printed on paper.
People like to call me a conspiracy theorist but I've got a record better than a coin flip... Nobody made any jabs for a few years after the Snowden leaks so at least I have that going for me.
Real subtle...cia clandestine mission to sow dissent right around the time he Checks notes Publicly announced tariffs...
I bet China suspected many things....lol
I am shocked! SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked.