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The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're a fellow American, please stop weighing in on this whole thing. We shouldn't be propping up Israel to begin with. We shouldn't be involved in this at all.

Our support of Israel was certainly factored into Hamas's decision to escalate things. And the blowback we'll get from unconditionally supporting Israel is completely, COMPLETELY predictable.

Covid gave us an opportunity to turn the page on the war on terror, and now our unwavering support for one side of this conflict is going to prompt some yahoo to commit something stupid, and start the war on terror up all over again.

There is no upside in supporting one side over the other in this one - we need to sit it out. Stop sending billions to Israel every year and providing a pretext for some sort of revenge attack on us. Saudi doesn't care what we think anymore, OPEC is going to do whatever it wants.

The US foreign affairs community seems to be of the opinion that our involvement in Israel and its recognition by KSA or any other big player in the region is going to secure the status of the petrodollar. But de-dollarization is going to happen anyway, thanks to BRICS.

So we'll continue to sell arms to Saudi Arabia while they continue to not supply us with enough oil to keep prices low, and we'll continue to prop up Israel while they continue to piss off the entire region.

And everyone is just... okay with this?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

There is no US and Israel. There is only US-Israel.

Israel is an extension of US foreign policy. The politics between them is all theatre. All Americans are culpable for its actions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So a whopping 2 hostages on the day of the attack, of which one was critically injured, which was more than a month ago.

Definitely Hamas HQ confirmed. Was worth all that civilian collateral to capture.

At least they finally got some footage so we don't have to rely on some crappy IDF PS1 graphics renders.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are more than two hostages. They've already found one of the previous hostages dead near the hospital grounds.

Wait until more footage comes through

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

A dead person near a hospital?!? Say it ain't so doc, people can't die at hospitals of all places. Everyone knows Dairy Queen is the place to take a hostage for medical care.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Again people lose sight of the fact that regardless of hamas actions, that doesn't justify the killing of thousands of kids and families that are taking shelter in the hospital.

If anything, the medical staff and families are also hostages and they shouldn't be killed either.

People kept arguing about the tunnel and the hospital ignoring the genocidal killing of Palestinians.

Tunnels or Hamas using the biggest and maybe only hospital Doesn't justify the bombing of the hospital while people still getting treated from other bombing..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas surrenders, releases hostages and it's done. But Hamas is the one pushing this war and they're using the suffering of their own people to push propaganda - and people like yourself support their efforts.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If Hamas surrenders, Israel will simply compete the genocide they're in the middle of.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As opposed to the heavy resistance Hamas is currently putting up?

If Israel wanted a genocide they could easily accomplish it. They clearly do not. This entire line of argumentation is beyond stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They have literally no chance to win while causing great suffering on everyone around them.

I don't know how a sane person could advocate for HAMAS to continue their terrorist actions.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is certainly better to kill Israeli soldiers than it is to not kill them. Peace has been tried for over 30 years, but Israel has refused. It's about time Palestine started fighting back. Genociders do not listen to anything short of warfare and terrorism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Israel has refused? Israel is the one side that negotiated and offered multiple solutions to the conflict lmao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Alas Lemmy is a shitshow in this regard. Not sure if Reddit is the same but the vibe here makes me barf

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

Reddit is a Zionist mouthpiece.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Nobody is supporting Hamas. They're saying that there's no justification for the genocide that Israel is engaging in.

It doesn't matter what either side has done when the response is to murder children. It's all unjustifiable.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Put yourself in Hamas miltant shoe. Mostly now had lost family members, living since born in a prison, you cannot go to sea, or cross to Egypt or even other part of the country.

What do you think Winning means for them ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let’s be accurate here. Thousands have died in Gaza as a result of this conflict, but Israel clearly did not kill thousands at Shifa Hospital.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

You're right, the hospital bombed itself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can we yet dispense with the fiction that hamas is fighting some just war?

Hiding behind civilians and intentionally using their deaths as propaganda is terrible.

Also, free palestine, fuck hamas, fuck likud, fuck Iran, and fuck Russia.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone is saying the war is just but rather relatable. If someone occupied my country, killed my family and took my family land I can't say I'd react any different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You'd sneak into their villages and go door to door killing thousands of innocent people in their homes? And do the same to young people at a music festival?

I think we can all relate to resistance, but this is something else.